Silly but interesting question 2024

Muddy reply :

Hey Fellas; The fellas on this end were talking last night about this, this may start some #%^@ but I would like to see what some of you think, or if anyone knows the rule on this

You catch a LMB, it weighs 24 lbs, new world record

OK When you reel her in she has a freshly swallowed smaller bass in her gullet, tail still sticking out and wiggling, and that bass weighs 2 lbs

Does this break the record or not? :-?

Hey my friend Dan was bored, what can I tell You

Eddie Munster reply :

As long as it's in her gullet, yep it counts. Now if were lodged in the mouth and could fall out, then probably no.

Interesting and not really silly. Good one Muddy.

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

put her on a stringer (if allowed in ur state) till she swallows the bass

bigtimfish reply :

record

nickb reply :

I'd say it's a record.

(Just don't try to pull the thing out of its mouth)

Muddy reply :

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put her on a stringer (if allowed in ur state) till she swallows the bass

Hey Russ, that's close to what I said last night, I suggested in the live well. Dan's reply was , then you risk the fish regurgitating the fish in it's gullet. I have caught some nice bass here, when taking the hook out, they will frequently puke out a golden shiner or craw fish or 2.

WRB reply :

Hypothetical? Giant bass eat large baitfish on a regular basis and it isn't uncommon to see a tail in the throat of these bass. If all you see is a tail, the sallowed baitfish is more than like dead and partially digested, if it weighed 2 lbs. Giant bass rarely target bass that weigh 2 lbs, too big a head to sallow without getting caught in the throat. However a 2 lb trout or shiner has a much smaller head, slender body without spiny dorsal fins and that be a more common hypothetical situation.

The underlying question becomes; how did the 2 lb bass get into the bass? Without a creditable witness, the assumption is the angler put it in the bass, because a 2 lb bass isn't considered normal prey. The bass wouldn't be able to regurgitate a bass even if it was a 1 lb., due to the dorsal spines. This is why it is imperative that the bass be examined by a qualified biologist to determine if the swallowed bass was eaten (partially digested) or stuffed in by the angler.

You would be surprised what has been found inside giant bass; frozen trout, fish fillets, ice, a variety of heavy objects that include gravel, rocks, lead, and small bass.

Unfortunately, a freshly swallowed 2 lb bass would be suspicious.

Good question Muddy.

WRB

cart7t reply :

So when you go to fillet the 24lber, do you toss the 2 lber out with the rest of the guts or fillet it as well?

CWB reply :

Record in my book.

I don't throw up my lunch before I go to the doctor and get weighed in.

bigfish88 reply :

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Record in my book.
I don't throw up my lunch before I go to the doctor and get weighed in.

haha thats great, i agree 100%

Muddy reply :

IT was hypothetical ; Alright since I have 3 documented cases of 2 lb trout eaten by bass, A 2 LB TROUT!

Also I have twice :

a Yellow Perch , weighing about a lb , in late July 2007

And Last fall: Pulled out a rather size able bluegill

out of bass mouths, that were in tail first and both were alive. They did both die, the perch actually swam a small distance before going belly up

cidgrad96 reply :

Dang Muddy.... "...the perch actually swam a small distance before going belly up " is that catch and release?

Ok here's one a buddy posed to me that I wondered and this post reminded me. You catch a dink... big momma comes up and slams it. You end up hooking big momma too. Legit hook inside the mouth (say a treble in the jaw or something).

Because big momma hit the dink you already had hooked on a lure, is she a legal fish? Would that be considered fishing with live bait?

I couldn't answer... it was a good question.

Muddy reply :

Good 2nd question. I wonder how many situations like this ,local Fisheries and clubs have to deal with,on a yearly basis.

It was either Fish Chris or 4bizzle that stated you can not catch a fish legally on an embedded hook, I wonder if the answer lies there

As I read this it seems you can't get a record on a hook embedded in plastic, I wonder if a trig would disqualify it as far as the record goes.

WRB reply :

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Dang Muddy.... "...the perch actually swam a small distance before going belly up " is that catch and release?
Ok here's one a buddy posed to me that I wondered and this post reminded me. You catch a dink... big momma comes up and slams it. You end up hooking big momma too. Legit hook inside the mouth (say a treble in the jaw or something).

Because big momma hit the dink you already had hooked on a lure, is she a legal fish? Would that be considered fishing with live bait?

I couldn't answer... it was a good question.

Not unless you reeled in both fish and intentionally made another cast or let the line out with both lure and live legal bait fish. It's not illegal to use live bait, as long as the live bait is legal in the state and lake where you are fishing.

WRB

PS; In CA a trout for example would be illegal regardless how it happened to get hooked and a bass ate it.

GonzoFishing reply :

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Record in my book.
I don't throw up my lunch before I go to the doctor and get weighed in.

True, but you also dont have half a burger sticking out of your mouth! I would say no record

Fishing Rhino reply :

I say,................it's a record.

So what if it is not fully digested, or even alive. Every bass grows by consuming other living entities, bugs, frogs, other fish, etc.

That being the case, its weight is entirely due to the comsumption and digestive processing of other critters.

The caveat would be if you stuffed the other fish into its gullet to make it heavier.

If it made a meal out of the other fish on its own, it's a record.

Muddy reply :

Hey Rhino: What about a meatball hero?

Mattlures reply :

Muddy I have had fish throw up thier lunch as I waas fighting them and it has cost me a pound before. If I caught one like you said I would look for wittnesses imediatly to verify I did not stuff the fish and then I would use my metel clip stringer and clip through both lips so she couldnt throw up. Of course this depends on how deep her lunch was and if I had to wait for a scale etc. lots of variables

In the big marlin tournaments they sew their mouths shut because the dump thier lunch when the hoist them up to weigh them

Muddy reply :

Thanks Matt! Mind you this discussion was going on between a group of fellas who pray for an 8 lbr here in PA

WRB reply :

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Good 2nd question. I wonder how many situations like this ,local Fisheries and clubs have to deal with,on a yearly basis.
It was either Fish Chris or 4bizzle that stated you can not catch a fish legally on an embedded hook, I wonder if the answer lies there

As I read this it seems you can't get a record on a hook embedded in plastic, I wonder if a trig would disqualify it as far as the record goes.

Embedded? Nearly all soft plastic lures have embedded hooks added as a standard rigging method. You can't add trap hooks, unless the lure has a specific hanger or the "stinger" hook is directly attached to the primary hook; like a spinnerbait stinger hook. You can't have more than 3 treble hooks and they must be free hanging, like on a crankbait.

Getting WR today is going to be difficult, as you joked earlier...

Butch Brown is video taping all his trips to avoid any controversy. I fish alone a lot and hope if I'm blessed, there is a impartial witness nearby.

WRB

daviscw reply :

Wow... Y'all are some greedy people. No record in my book. If it ain't in its stomach, it doesn't count. Kind of like the dude said before, you don't go to the doctor to weigh with a cheeseburger in your mouth.

Fishing Rhino reply :

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Hey Rhino: What about a meatball hero?

Why not?

When I was a kid, and we were building a new home beside a small creek, we had a cookout.

Then, we tried the hot dogs for bait that evening and caught a five pound eel and a large (by Yankee standards) bullhead on hot dog chunks.

Who's to say meatballs wouldn't be even better?

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

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put her on a stringer (if allowed in ur state) till she swallows the bass

Hey Russ, that's close to what I said last night, I suggested in the live well. Dan's reply was , then you risk the fish regurgitating the fish in it's gullet. I have caught some nice bass here, when taking the hook out, they will frequently puke out a golden shiner or craw fish or 2.

Exactly the reason for my answer. Let nature decide, if she spits it, it wasn't meant to be. Any other way, and anyone (that values their integrity) would always have an internal ? ,....the dark cloud on the valor.

btw-muddy- we each scrathed out 4, was tough.

Muddy reply :

We caught a load of dinks and 3 good fish. I will call you when I get back from Bklyn

mrlitetackle reply :

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record.

go with low budget hookers advice and hope it doesnt puke it out....

then, get her officially weighed ;D

Paul Roberts reply :

Record. Unless it regurgitates.

Next question: Can you stuff the fair-captured and swallowed prey back in, and call it a record??

Hopper reply :

Its a record....another thing would be lamprey's attached. I know in BASS tourneys if a lamprey is attached to a fish and stays attached then the weight counts, would it count in a record situation?

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