What weight jig are you throwing on light tackle the MOST.. Neds, Sliders, Shaky Heads, Grub heads, etc.
1/16, 1/8, 3/16, or 1/4?
Just curious.....
Ned-1/16
Slider-1/8
Shaky-1/8
Grub-1/8
Also fish an ultra finesse skirted jig that I make that is 1/8 that is a killer in the spring when all the little craws are everywhere.
On 2/16/2018 at 7:37 PM, Bluebasser86 said:Ned-1/16
Slider-1/8
Shaky-1/8
Grub-1/8
Also fish an ultra finesse skirted jig that I make that is 1/8 that is a killer in the spring when all the little craws are everywhere.
Why the weight cut on the Ned?
On 2/16/2018 at 7:37 PM, Bluebasser86 said:Ned-1/16
Slider-1/8
Shaky-1/8
Grub-1/8
Also fish an ultra finesse skirted jig that I make that is 1/8 that is a killer in the spring when all the little craws are everywhere.
Ditto this ^^
Lighter weight for Ned because it's fished as a "no-feel" presentation.
On 2/16/2018 at 8:43 PM, Todd2 said:Why the weight cut on the Ned?
On 2/16/2018 at 9:05 PM, Team9nine said:Lighter weight for Ned because it's fished as a "no-feel" presentation.
I actually need to get some lighter Ned heads for those rare days when there's little wind. I'm a firm believer that the lighter the weight I can get a away with, the better my catch will be in almost all situations.
Ned-1/16-1/20
Slider-1/16-1/8
Shaky-1/4
I like my Neds light and my Shakys heavy. Sliders I go both ways on, it depends on what plastic I am using and if there is current or not.
Ned-1/16
Slider-1/8
Shaky-1/8 -1/4
Grub-1/8
Finesse jig 5/16
Allen
Here we go again...what is a bass finesse jig?
Lets use Tackle Warehouse discription or Siebert Outdoors, it's a jig style not a light weight jig.
Finesse jigs range from 3/16 oz to 1/2 oz.
The 1st finesse jig I recall being named that was Skinny Bears living rubber jig back in the 80's.
It's how and where you present a smaller size compact jig using lighter strength line that makes it a finesse presentation for LMB, the smallmouth bass anglers have been using "finesse jig" with Billy Westmooreland the name that comes to mind.
Tom
On 2/16/2018 at 11:33 PM, WRB said:Here we go again...what is a bass finesse jig?
Lets use Tackle Warehouse discription, it's a jig style not a light weight jig.
Finesse jigs range from 3/16 oz to 1/2 oz.
Tom
we don't have to "here we go again." he actually specifies what he's looking for in the original post.
If you continue to redefine terminology the ability to communicate dissapears.
Not 1 of those jigs the OP is inquiring about are finesse jigs, they are individual light weight style jigs.
Tom
On 2/17/2018 at 12:01 AM, WRB said:If you continue to redefine terminology the ability to communicate dissapears.
Not 1 of those jigs the OP is inquiring about are finesse jigs, they are individual light weight style jigs.
Tom
Geez Tom...I think it was very clear what I was asking. Why get hung up on the semantics?
For a finesse jig, I use 3/16 oz.
For all of the other finesse presentations mentioned, I use almost the same as BlueBasser's response except for a slight difference on the Ned as I use the 1/15 oz offered by Zman.
Ned-1/15
Slider-1/8
Shaky-1/8
Grub-1/8
On 2/17/2018 at 12:27 AM, Todd2 said:Geez Tom...I think it was very clear what I was asking. Why get hung up on the semantics?
Finesse jig weight is the title term, not a semantic. When we constantly change fishing terminology and it creates a failure to communicate.
Peace,
Tom
On 2/17/2018 at 1:03 AM, WRB said:Finesse jig weight is the title term, not a semantic. When we constantly change fishing terminology and it creates a failure to communicate.
Peace,
Tom
You better tell BPS, searching 'Finesse Jigs' will yield you over 80 jigs..including at least some of the ones I mentioned.
On 2/16/2018 at 7:37 PM, Bluebasser86 said:Ned-1/16
Slider-1/8
Shaky-1/8
Grub-1/8
Also fish an ultra finesse skirted jig that I make that is 1/8 that is a killer in the spring when all the little craws are everywhere.
This...
Ned 1/15 smallest to 1/5
finesse jig 7/64 (3g)
Shaky 1/8 or 1/5
Grub - don't use em
Siebert Outdoors, our site sponsor, and Tackle Warehouse have a separate "finesse jig" category and far more creditable then BPS.
Any light weight jig under 3/8 oz falls into your finesse category. Several finesse presentation type jigs are missing such as round heads in the wacky jig style and the darter heads commonly fished with light line spinning tackle.
The Indiana finesse guys keep trying to seperate the Ned jig from being lost in mist of general finess jigs designs because it's a unique presentation, that is my point, terms have meaning.
To reply to your question what finesse presentations I use with jigs;
1/8 oz dart heads
3/32, 1/8, 5/32 oz wacky ball head (flick shaky) jigs, no collar.
1/8, 3/16 oz round or pea head jigs, with collar.
1/8 oz, 1/4 oz shaky head jigs
All of the above using 5, 6 & 7 lb line/spinning tackle.
Tom
On 2/16/2018 at 7:37 PM, Bluebasser86 said:Ned-1/16
Slider-1/8
Shaky-1/8
Grub-1/8
Also fish an ultra finesse skirted jig that I make that is 1/8 that is a killer in the spring when all the little craws are everywhere.
+1 ... This would cover the majority of conditions / needs .
On 2/17/2018 at 1:03 AM, WRB said:Finesse jig weight is the title term, not a semantic. When we constantly change fishing terminology and it creates a failure to communicate.
Peace,
Tom
I know we're going a bit OT here, but...
I agree completely on the fishing terminology stuff. In the case of this thread, I think what was written vs. what was meant are two different things - an honest mistake.
But back on terminology, the obvious problem to me is deciding who gets to define the terms, and then who all agrees to that. As we've proven many times before on this site, in this regard, there is very little agreement, and hence there will always be differences of opinion on most subjects, which only leads to more confusion, not less for readers - but I'm afraid that's the new reality, and it will only get worse with time.
On 2/17/2018 at 11:36 PM, Team9nine said:But back on terminology, the obvious problem to me is deciding who gets to define the terms, and then who all agrees to that.
Team9nine for Terminology Czar 2018!
When Everyone decides their own version of what means what language is meaningless. This is why we have a dictionary for definitions.
Fishing jargon differs from region to region, grass means aquatic vegetation to some and weeds to others and we are going to pot.
I choose to refer to TW and Siefort as a reference knowing the OP would debate his choice of title and he did.
It’s a mute point.
Tom
On 2/18/2018 at 12:52 AM, WRB said:When Everyone decides their own version of what means what language is meaningless. This is why we have a dictionary for definitions.
Fishing jargon differs from region to region, grass means aquatic vegetation to some and weeds to others and we are going to pot.
I choose to refer to TW and Siefort as a reference knowing the OP would debate his choice of title and he did.
It’s a mute point.
Tom
Let's all make sure to use wrb's dictionary of fishing jargon so there's no confusion from now on.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on the terminology issue..but enough of that. Thanks for the responses, the 1/8 is quickly becoming my favorite with several different heads (especially Brewer's Snagless Slider). I've tried the 1/16, but not happy with the distance and feel, especially in some wind.
Define finesse, as it applies to this thread or to bass fishing.
Tom
delicate and subtle appear to be the two most used words to define the word finesse...
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On 2/18/2018 at 12:52 AM, WRB said:It’s a mute point.
Tom
**moot**
????
I really only do ned rigs with very occasional shaky heads... pardon my newbness there. I consider ned to be a super finesse presentation... it's hit or miss for me. I've caught a few on it, but since I have issues watching my line due to various reasons it sometimes doesn't work well for me. But here's what I do when I fish these:
Ned rigs- larger baits (4" or so), 1/20 oz. Small baits (2-3/4"), 1/15-1/16 oz. I never get a lot of distance with these cast wise, but that's not really the point. It may take me as long as 15 minutes to reel one of these short cast ned rigs in because I fish them extremely slowly, patiently, and methodically. I almost fish it like I would a drop shot, with more drag motions. I'm learning this style but I've had some luck over winter and like it a lot for its delicateness.
Shaky heads- up to 1/2 oz depending on weather conditions (like wind or currents). I still fish these slowly, but not as slowly as I do the ned rig. Little wiggle here and there, lift and drop, drag... but it's still a slow progression back to me. I haven't had as much luck with these, I'm also still learning this style.
On 2/18/2018 at 10:48 AM, WRB said:Define finesse, as it applies to this thread or to bass fishing.
Tom
That could probably be a discussion on its own. I don't know who coined the phrase as it applies to fishing. Charlie Brewer referred to his method..not his jigs, as a "method of finesse" back in the 70's, maybe earlier. Others may have used the term before, not sure. As far as a definition, I guess some would say smaller lures, some (like Brewer) would say slow methodical fishing. I'll stick with Brewer's definition.
On 2/18/2018 at 12:54 PM, Dirtyeggroll said:**moot**
????
I'm mute!
I like 1/10 ounce for ned rigs .
1/8 ballhead jigs for grubs and small swimbaits.
1/4 ounce for finesse jigs and shaky heads.
On 2/18/2018 at 10:48 AM, WRB said:Define finesse, as it applies to this thread or to bass fishing.
Tom
It's always going to be sort of a loose definition, but in my mind I think that I am "finesse "fishing" when I am "fishing for bass with lures/tackle that I could also effectivly fish for panfish with". So like a ned rig counts but sneaking a 1/2oz jig around a beaver hut does not.
I'm sure 1 million holes could be poked in this definition, but it's close enough for me.
On 2/19/2018 at 11:16 AM, fishwizzard said:
It's always going to be sort of a loose definition, but in my mind I think that I am "finesse "fishing" when I am "fishing for bass with lures/tackle that I could also effectivly fish for panfish with". So like a ned rig counts but sneaking a 1/2oz jig around a beaver hut does not.
I'm sure 1 million holes could be poked in this definition, but it's close enough for me.
I have to agree. Also I think its crazy when I see a 1/2 oz SK KVD "Finesse" Spinner bait. They are just using the term because its popular. Not because it applies to the bait. Nothing about a 1/2 oz spinner bait screams finesse to me.
To me finesse is small profile bait and fish kind of slow not necessary light weight.
I agree that ppl sometime mix up Terminology like pitching and flipping, finesse and BFS. Jig and jig head are totally different in my term, the one with skirt and one no skirt.
To me finesse is small profile bait and fish kind of slow not necessary light weight.
Thread jacking but since a swim bait can be a 2.8" Keitech on a 1/16 oz head or a 4 oz Muskie size plug I think we can get over this "finesse" thing. Just an observation.