This is what happens when you don't change your fuel lines 2025
scrutch reply :
1999 OEM Mercury fuel line. Lines are getting changed (obviously).
I split the line with a knife and separated it with a toothpic.
Question is: Are there any fuel lines that I can replace this with that won't do this?
Glenn reply :
Yes, EBM line. 
EBM=Everything Besides Mercury
J/K!
scrutch reply :
Interesting, I have a short piece of new merc line and I can see the plastic liner inside it too. It just isn't separated yet. Is that from ethanol or what? You'd think they would learn from this and make something that works.
Long Mike reply :
Do I sense bias against Mercury products? I have had the same Mercury fuel lines on my boat for sixty-eight years and have never experienced a problem. Would I lie?
ChrisAW reply :
I had the same problem with the lines on my Johnson 30 horse. Truth is this can happen with nearly any fuel line, just depends on the conditions they've been exposed to over the years.
scrutch reply :
Does your boat run on vegetable oil Mike?
Is it Merc?
Is it age?
Is it ethanol?
:-/ :-/ :-/
fishn hard reply :
It is ethanol that caused that if you go to your auto parts store and ask for the ethanol resistance fuel line they should have it
5bass reply :
QuoteYes, EBM line.EBM=Everything Besides Mercury
....said the guy with the new Yamaha 
Was there something wrong with the old one? I cant seem to remember. <----thats Glenn
Glenn reply :
Ha ha! Good one Scott! Naw, the problem we had also knocked out 7 Mercs and 2 other Yammi's at the same time in our area --> Ethanol. I suspect the same issue is at play here, but I'm no mechanic, so I'm just speculating.
scrutch reply :
QuoteHa ha! Good one Scott! Naw, the problem we had also knocked out 7 Mercs and 2 other Yammi's at the same time in our area --> Ethanol. I suspect the same issue is at play here, but I'm no mechanic, so I'm just speculating.
Uh Glenn, whaddya mean "knocked out"?
Glenn reply :
Blown engines.
Dam Yankee reply :
I have been reading about this lately. It is the ethanol. If you use a mercury fuel line get the gray line with red lettering on it. It seems there is a lot more ethanol than there used to be.
scrutch reply :
Been there, read that.
Traveler2586 reply :
On 11/20/2010 at 7:36 AM, scrutch said:1999 OEM Mercury fuel line. Lines are getting changed (obviously).
I split the line with a knife and separated it with a toothpic.
Question is: Are there any fuel lines that I can replace this with that won't do this?
I know this is an old thread, but I just encountered the problem, and, just found this thread.
This is the same thing I found in my 2003 Mercury 150 EFI. I thought I was seeing bits of varnish in the fuel system, but it turned out to be plastic 
Richard at Mare Inc. in Thurmont, Md. explained it all to me today after I just happened to mention seeing varnish in the fuel line.
And this afternoon I check my email and find BoatUS is reporting on April 2, 2012 EPA has taken the next step to putting E15 on the street
I've got a 2003 Ranger 185VS, am I looking at changing out my plastic fuel tank, and black rubber fuel lines as well??????
Tony Monticelli reply :
On 11/23/2010 at 2:31 AM, Glenn said:Blown engines.
yea you can do that quick i would think if the gas went bad?
would the marine formula sta-bil prevent all that?
just asking cuz i use it in all the 4wheelers and snowmobiles... from my experience it been an engine and carb saver year after year.. fill the tanks up.... add the sta-bil... run it for a few mins and then shut it down close the fuel line and a year later that gas has been as good as it was the day it was filled..
before when we didn't use it... year after year if it wasn't one problem it was another,, all having to do with the fuel going bad.
i been using that stuff in everything snow blowers, lawnmower etc etc etc... no problems in anything since i started... before using it my word that snow blower every year the carb would be clogged and since i started useing that stuff not ounce have i need to clean out the carbs or etc and man has it been nice to see the snow blower start on the first couple pulls after hibernation..
Traveler2586 reply :
Since I got my boat (used) in 09, I've been using the marine formula sta-bil every time I fill up at the end of a fishing day.
I've been reading about the problems with Ethanol and boats, but this is my first encounter with the effects.
Traveler2586 reply :
On 11/20/2010 at 8:42 AM, Long Mike said:Do I sense bias against Mercury products? I have had the same Mercury fuel lines on my boat for sixty-eight years and have never experienced a problem. Would I lie?
First - I think I now understand the name L-o-n-g Mike 
Second - Mike, you think Glenn would have a problem with me placing BR stickers on my Mercury??
Fishing Rhino reply :
For the Road Trip gang, there's a Citgo station just across the lake on 431 that sells ethanol free gas. Lake Guntersville General Store and Deli.
Glenn reply :
On 4/12/2012 at 7:31 AM, Tony Monticelli said:yea you can do that quick i would think if the gas went bad?
would the marine formula sta-bil prevent all that?
just asking cuz i use it in all the 4wheelers and snowmobiles... from my experience it been an engine and carb saver year after year.. fill the tanks up.... add the sta-bil... run it for a few mins and then shut it down close the fuel line and a year later that gas has been as good as it was the day it was filled..
before when we didn't use it... year after year if it wasn't one problem it was another,, all having to do with the fuel going bad.
i been using that stuff in everything snow blowers, lawnmower etc etc etc... no problems in anything since i started... before using it my word that snow blower every year the carb would be clogged and since i started useing that stuff not ounce have i need to clean out the carbs or etc and man has it been nice to see the snow blower start on the first couple pulls after hibernation..
No, it wasn't that. The mechanic said there really isn't much you can do to prevent ethanol-related issues. That said, we added a 2nd filter and now use double-dose Stabil and Ring-Free with every fill-up - although bear in mind we were doing this already with every fill-up, only at the recommended dosages....and it still blew.
No, there's not much you can do if you must use ethanol-tainted gas. Ethanol is absolutely the worst for outboards. Period. It's poison.
We now go out of our way to fill up at ethanol-free gas stations. That's really the only way to prevent these issues.
Tony Monticelli reply :
thats horrible, what a pain in the neck but those engines are far from cheap..
id wonder if its got more to do with how there put together, tighter fitting sealed better etc etc etc making them more prone to those issues. that's just really 
for the cost of the engines they should be able to run on tap water.
Tony Monticelli reply :
im glad a small craft and a electric motor is all i need. and it still upset me when i smoked the little min kota LOL i was all bummed out for days.
Traveler2586 reply :
On 4/13/2012 at 12:27 PM, Glenn said:We now go out of our way to fill up at ethanol-free gas stations. That's really the only way to prevent these issues.
Any tips on how to find a station in a given area that sell ethanol-free gas? Is there a web site with listings???
I've looked around my area and can't find any
What is Ring Free Glenn? I haven't heard of it. I've been using ethanol and the recommended amount of stabil for almost three years now, I can't afford to blow an engine
Have you seen the BoatUS news report that EPA has taken the next step toward putting E15 on the streets; EPA announced it on April 2, 2012.
Long Mike reply :
Well, all I can say is that I use Star-Tron fuel additive every time I add fuel to my tank. I've never had a problem and don't expect to.
Tony Monticelli reply :
On 4/14/2012 at 9:00 AM, Traveler2586 said:Any tips on how to find a station in a given area that sell ethanol-free gas? Is there a web site with listings???
I've looked around my area and can't find any
What is Ring Free Glenn? I haven't heard of it. I've been using ethanol and the recommended amount of stabil for almost three years now, I can't afford to blow an engine
Have you seen the BoatUS news report that EPA has taken the next step toward putting E15 on the streets; EPA announced it on April 2, 2012.
i had no clue they even existed anymore LOL.. i'm still saying to myself ethanol free gas stations exist? that would be like finding Santa clause.
i have though noticed with the sleds from one station to another a difference and have gone out of my way to not fuel up at some of them. i guess that's just nature of the beasts, they want good food.
Fishing Rhino reply :
On 4/14/2012 at 9:00 AM, Traveler2586 said:Any tips on how to find a station in a given area that sell ethanol-free gas? Is there a web site with listings???
I've looked around my area and can't find any
What is Ring Free Glenn? I haven't heard of it. I've been using ethanol and the recommended amount of stabil for almost three years now, I can't afford to blow an engine
Have you seen the BoatUS news report that EPA has taken the next step toward putting E15 on the streets; EPA announced it on April 2, 2012.
It's the second pinned thread when the "Bass Boats, Canoes, Kayaks and more" is opened.
http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/25418-website-for-ethanol-free-gas-locations/page__view__findpost__p__256604
Traveler2586 reply :
These web sites may help someone find Ethanol free gas..
http://buyrealgas.com/
http://pure-gas.org/
Glenn reply :
On 4/14/2012 at 9:00 AM, Traveler2586 said:Any tips on how to find a station in a given area that sell ethanol-free gas? Is there a web site with listings???
I've looked around my area and can't find any
What is Ring Free Glenn? I haven't heard of it. I've been using ethanol and the recommended amount of stabil for almost three years now, I can't afford to blow an engine
Have you seen the BoatUS news report that EPA has taken the next step toward putting E15 on the streets; EPA announced it on April 2, 2012.
There's a sticky at top of this (boating) forum that lists sites that show ethanol-free gas stations.
Ring Free is a popular engine cleaner from Yamaha. Many folks also use Sea Foam. Both are about the same. Either way, double up on the dosages.
Yes, I've heard about that report. It's odd, because everything I've heard about ethanol lately is that it's never accomplished what it was originally supposed to do. So adding more of something that's known not to be effective doesn't make any sense in my simple mind.
Mike - we never had any indication whatsoever that there was any problem at all. Everything was fine until one morning we launched the boat and couldn't get it on plane. Not a good feeling.
slonezp reply :
Looks like we in IL will be the test dummies for E-15 fuel.
http://www.myjournalcourier.com/articles/drivers-39118-praised-e15.html
They're going to offer it as an option first. LOL I find this hard to believe because I'd imagine the modifications the gas stations will have to endure ie additional storage tanks will be quite expensive. Most gas stations have 3 grades plus diesel. What will probably happen is they get rid of one grade for now and replace it with the E-15. until they have multiple octanes in E-15 form.
Deadeye-1 reply :
On 4/14/2012 at 10:02 AM, Long Mike said:Well, all I can say is that I use Star-Tron fuel additive every time I add fuel to my tank. I've never had a problem and don't expect to.
I used to use the Stabil-Marine, until I started having issues. The insides of my lines were all deteriating and there were tiny bits of it all through my carbs. I switched to the Star*Tron and never have had a problem. If you read the bottle you will see that it is better in everyway than Stabil.
I have had several boat owners tell me that Star*Tron is what their dealers & Mecanics have told them to use. It TOTALLY Eliminates the ethonal problems, keeps in insides of your lines soft, and will make your enigine run bettter with better fuel mileage.
I have also started using it in my SUV. My friend had his wife start to use it (he already does in everything he owns) and within one month she gained 150 miles to a tank of gas in her Caravan.
We sell a ton of it. You can find it in almost any Wal Mart sporting goods dept.
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