Ranger Bass Boat in Arizona - too good to be true????-Update! 2024
mike304 reply :
Ranger 521VX 2005 Comanche Bass Boat, Trailer Included, Price 5500 USD, Mercury Optimax 250XS, 21.0 feet $5500 For pictures contact pkrame2@gmail.com, (615) 692 1756. (ad id: 3519929)
I saw this add for this boat in my local paper and I thought it was a typo. I e-mailed the guy and asked and he confirmed that it was the right price. I did a search and came up with the link below that has one pic. Problem for me is, its in AZ and I live in NY(I don't really have the money right now either 
). I just e-mailed him again to ask why so little. He hasn't gotten back to me yet. He has adds for it in a lot of papers all over, so I'm assuming he really needs the money, its stolen, or its some kind of scam. If not its one hell of a deal.
Check the link below and the add and the one pic are about 3/4 of the way down the page.
http://apps.aspentimes.com/classifieds/?class=tran
Does anyone live near Avondale , Arizona who can check this out.
DINK WHISPERER reply :
WOW, i would definitely find a way to get a loan or something man! Do you know how much those Comanches are worth!?!
cart7t reply :
I would definitely get that loan and then send the money to me.
You'll have just as much chance of getting that boat out of me as you would that seller.
SCAM. Happening quite a lot these days and Ranger is the usual boat of choice.
soccplayer07 reply :
SCAM!!! I just bought an 86' ranger 370v for d**n near the same price. complete scam. Rangers hold their value.
k4phd reply :
That's a nice boat at an unbelievable price. I hope all is legit and you can get it. Please let us know so we all can be happy for you or jealous. Ha!
Jim
South FLA reply :
This is a known scam that ran through Craigslist.
Way2slow reply :
Email them back and say it's too good of a deal the let get away and you want the boat. You have a relative that lives in AZ that will bring the money and make the deal. They will either not replay or have an excuse that's it's either in storage or somewhere else right now. They will have an excuse why the deal can't be made on the spot. Total SCAM!
mike304 reply :
I e-mailed the guy 2 days ago asking why so little and could he send me the Pics. haven't heard a peep.
Just for the record, I actually had no intention of buying the boat. I saw the add and thought "thats too good to be true" and figured I'd look into it.
simplejoe reply :
yeah, definitely scam the motor is worth more than that.
mike304 reply :
Just Received this e-mail from the seller:
When I listed the boat I used a national website, I think they are related to the newspaper in your area.
To see all the pictures click here: http://tinypic.com/a/st40/3 ( 4 pages ). 2005 Ranger Comanche 521VX 21 foot dual console Bass boat. This Ranger is clean inside and out and has been through complete mechanical/electrical inspection with no problems. The hull is in excellent condition. Propelling this boat is a Mercury Optimax 250XS 250 horsepower outboard motor with a MercuryMarine tempest Plus 26 pitch stainless steel prop in excellent condition. It has been sheltered and well maintained. Specifications: Hours: 176 hrs Engine model: Mercury optimax 250XS, Engine type: Single outboard, Fuel capacity: 51-75 gallons, fuel type: Gas, HullID Number: 7H202E405, Length: 21.0 feet, Hull material: Fiberglass, Trailer: Included. Features: Dual Console set-up with seating for three, Dual bow and Stern Swivel seats, Clarion Cd sound system, Sport steering wheel, Multiple storage compartments, Aerated live well, All the standard boat gauges, Adjustable jack plate with pilot controls, Console winshields, Glove box, Woodgrain trim, Power trim controls, Rear swim ladder, Rod tie downs. Included:Ranger Trail boat trailer with a swing-away tongue in like new condition ( full cover included ). The trailer has been serviced and is both cosmetically and mechanically in great condition. I don't have a trolling motor. Don't ask for other parts or equipment I don't have it.For making this a lot more easier and faster I would like to use Yahoo Finance to complete this transaction.This service allows us to complete the transaction quick and safe for both of us. It acts like a third party between seller and buyer, to insure that the buyer receives the item and the seller receives the payment. If you want to buy the boat, get back to me and I'll tell you how it works.
He still hasn't answered my question as to why he is asking such a low price. I e-mailed him such. this is getting interesting. It actually looks like a nice boat.
tillerybass reply :
He has a picture of the serial number or something. Can you search it to find more information on the boat? This thing should be valued at least $30k.
cart7t reply :
IF
that was my boat and everything was legit I could pull it up the street to the Wal-mart parking lot and have it sold in 30 minutes or less at that price.
and
why the third party payment method? You mean if I wanted to walk up, hand him $5500 dollars cash in exhange for the boat and CLEAN titles he wouldn't be interested?
RED FLAGS!!!
BigBassGuy reply :
Did a quick Google search of the VIN number and came across this website out of Tempe AZ. Its saying SOLD and is using the same exact pictures pictures they sent you.
http://www.desertautoplex.com/cgi-bin/showroom.cgi?mode=show&id=325686&d_id=1080
:oRED FLAG!!! RED FLAG!!!!
BigBassGuy reply :
Also just found the Ebay listing from April where it sold for $25,000
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_rdc=1&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp3907.m38.l1313%26_nkw%3D170322558372%2B%2B%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&item=170322558372&viewitem=
Fishing Cowgirl reply :
Ditto! they copy and paste the info from e-bay listing, stick a ridiculously low price on it, and then get the money third party..
big time scam.
they use this on everything from equipment to livestock websites selling high dollar horses they don't own.
boomer68 reply :
I did a google search for this boat,(2005 RANGER 521VX Comanche Bass Boat, was the search) because like all you this is too good to be true. The same ad, email, phone was posted in newspapers from Montary, CA to Orlando, FL.
This is got to be a scam.. Run away quick
mike304 reply :
like I said, I had no intention of buying it. I'm wondering now if someone could be contacted and try to snag this guy.
lunka4me reply :
I found a similar situation on eBay. Where there was a great deal, buy it now deal on a boat, it was in a third party place, a shipping company, they gave a tracking number and it showed it was there. The guy faxed me a "copy" of the title. He said he was recently assigned to work in Hawaii and is storing the boat in the shipping company. Things just didn't sound right. Come to find out the same boat was posted a month later, I emailed again and it was a different story with a completely different title, from another state. I reported it to eBay but there was nothing really they could do.
mike304 reply :
this is the most recent reply. He finally answered why he is selling it so low:
I'm not a fisherman and I can't even swim, I don't need the boat if my brother can't use it. My brother fell off a horse and got paralyzed, he loves fishing and I can't imagine how much he will suffer not being able to fish for the rest of his life. When I bought this boat for my brother, I paid $5500 because I bought it from a rich friend of mine... it was more like a gift... he knew I don't have enough money to pay the price for it.. That's why I want to sell it for $5500 it will not be fair to sell it for more! Besides, we decided to make someone happy as we were when we bought it! I'm not stupid and I know the price on the market is higher.
I've already made a couple of calls to people I know, and I'm going to make more tomorrow. I'm going after this guy. More to follow.
basscat73 reply :
Good luck going after him. He's not even in the USA. He's untraceable for the most part, and these types of ads are extremely common. Surprised you haven't seen one before. Very common to see this scam for boats and especially vehicles. I could probably find an ad right now 2008 Toyota 4-Runner with 32K for $4,500.
south1234 reply :
Hey Guys--I came across this forum after my husband thought he had found the "deal of a lifetime" while I kept telling him it was a scam! We have corresponded with Mr. Kramer and here's the latest email we've received from him--
"Here are the transaction steps: Buyer and Seller Agree to Terms, Both parties agree to terms of the transaction, which includes a description of the merchandise, sale price, number of days for the Buyer's inspection ( 3 days ). Buyer Pays: The Buyer submits a payment proof. Yahoo! Finance verifies the payment.Seller Ships Merchandise Upon payment verification, the Seller is authorized to ship merchandise and submit tracking information. Yahoo! Finance verifies that the Buyer receives the shipment. Buyer Accepts the merchandise The Buyer has a set number of days for an inspection and the option to accept or reject the merchandise. (in this case 3 days)Yahoo! Finance Pays the Seller If this is ok with you please reply with your complete name, address and shipping address in your next email and let me know if you are interested in knowing more details about this purchase so that I can open a transaction case at Yahoo! Finance and move forward with this deal. You will also need to make a free Yahoo! e-mail account in order to receive the invoice."
"What's the HIN?" (I had asked for the HIN for the boat.)
My husband thinks that if Yahoo Finance is involved that he would not lose his money--I think differently.
We replied that my husband would travel to Arizona to see and try out the boat and make the transaction in person if everything was as stated in the email. What do you think the chances are that he'll reply????
South
cart7t reply :
He won't. Like I said. You could sell that boat at that price on just about any street corner in the US in less than an hour. A deal that good isn't a deal, it's a scam.
George Welcome reply :
Hints to scam in addition to ridiculous price:
3rd party e-mail addy: pkrame2@gmail.com
Yahoo finance is a stock brokerage company,
Ellesar reply :
Yahoo finance isn't going to be involved. It might look like they are. There were some paypal scams that did the same sort of thing. The web sites looked like paypal but they were spoofs. Quite a few people fell for it and believed that everything would be ok because paypal was involved.
George Welcome reply :
Some of the places this idiot claims to be in:
ads placed
pkrame20 Memphis, TN 05/26/2009 10
pkrame2 Huntington Beach, CA 05/20/2009 19
pkrame22 Whitinsville, MA 06/02/2009 4
pkrame21 Arlington , TX 05/28/2009 3
pkrame23 Austin, TX 06/16/2009 4
BrianinMD reply :
Here is the general description of the scam....
Basically it goes like this, someone post a legit sale of a car, boat or whatever high dollar item. The "bad" person takes it, creates a new "sale", lowers the price and starts posting it all over the country. When people contact them instead of the normal pickup they say they will start an private Ebay auction so you can have a secured buy. Only problem is the Ebay site they send you is a fake and all the information you send is collected by the counterfeit seller.
There are variations to this but this is the general method.
Olebiker reply :
He usually claims to be tryiong to unload it quickly because he is about to be deployed.
old bassman reply :
If that boat is something that you really want at that price ( assuming the seller is not a crook) Go there bring cash or the equivalent and be prepared to test drive the boat, set up a local mechanic to check out the motor ( the Internet works for locating reputable mechanics) bring a tow vehicle and bring the darn thing home. For the price of $ 5,500. it is worth the extra expense for the trip. The boat value is easily $ 30,000 on the low side. If this cannot happen then forgetabout it. If it is a scam then be done with it. I have seen scams like this on Toyota Supra adds. Modified cars that are easily worth $ 50K selling for 6K. If it is too good to be true that it's not true.
5bass reply :
With all the scams going around these days I have adopted the old saying "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is" .
The scammers would probably get more interest from potential buyers if they actually got a little closer to the market price and it just looked like a good deal, not an insanely great deal. Most can see right thru the insanely great deals and write them off as scams from the get-go.
I would be skeptical of anyone not wanting to make the deal in person. This goes for anything, not just boats.
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