Lund is on the way 2024
NHBull reply :
What a difference a good dealers makes!
Got a great trade and good pricing on a 18, 1775 Impact Sport with a 115 Honda ( 125 max).
The only thing I need to decide is what trolling motor and electronics.....and am open to suggestions.
I want to thank everyone here for their input!
Al
J Francho reply :
I'd be going with an Ulterra, and the biggest screens I could afford.
Congrats on the Lund. Been looking at them myself.
NHBull reply :
On 10/4/2017 at 1:43 AM, J Francho said:I'd be going with an Ulterra, and the biggest screens I could afford.
Congrats on the Lund. Been looking at them myself.
While I would have preferred the pro v, the misses swayed me to this compromise
12poundbass reply :
On 10/4/2017 at 1:38 AM, NHBull said:The only thing I need to decide is what trolling motor and electronics.....and am open to suggestions.
Budget? I'm sure we all could help you spend your money.
J Francho reply :
On 10/4/2017 at 1:59 AM, NHBull said:While I would have preferred the pro v, the misses swayed me to this compromise
I'm looking at the 16' Pro Guide, with a kicker. There's a few lakes I fish that have a 17'/10 hp restriction. My buddy has a Rebel, and while the 9.9 kicker only gets you to around 6 mph, it beats rowing.
A-Jay reply :
Congrats on the new Rig !
A-Jay
jbmaine reply :
Congrats on the new Lund. You're going to have so much fun fitting it out. I see you are in NH. did you get it with the ice breaker bow option LOL
Jim
slonezp reply :
Congrats
Guess it all depends on what you are trying to accomplish with the TM and graphs. You can go all out on the boat and link some Humminbirds with the Minn Kota, or just mix and match.
NHBull reply :
As far as electronics, I would like to keep it under 1k and I am familiar with Garmin and lorange
I am also looking at the ulterra for a trolling motor.
Don't really care about linking the two
Thanks
NHBull reply :
On 10/4/2017 at 3:26 AM, 12poundbass said:Budget? I'm sure we all could help you spend your money.
I would like to keep electronics under 1k
And am looking at the Ulterra
12poundbass reply :
On 10/4/2017 at 7:37 AM, NHBull said:I would like to keep electronics under 1k
And am looking at the Ulterra
Mapping?
NHBull reply :
On 10/4/2017 at 7:48 AM, 12poundbass said:Mapping?
Not in the sense of uncharted lakes/ponds
12poundbass reply :
On 10/4/2017 at 7:56 AM, NHBull said:Not in the sense of uncharted lakes/ponds
2 Garmin Striker 7sv. No mapping but you can save waypoints.
WIGuide reply :
Congrats on the new ride!
Fishing Rhino reply :
May you make many fond memories on your new vessel.
slonezp reply :
Is the Honda propped? Lund's boatbuilder does not include props on the Honda's, only on the Merc's
Further North reply :
Not trying to talk you into anything, but having the fish finders linked to the trolling motor changed the way I fish.
A Terrova/Ulterra/Ultrex will make a big difference on its own...but linking the fish finders and trolling motors really lets you spend your time fishing instead of screwing around with boat control.
On the Ulterra, You'd probably be fine with an 80# unit, I run a 112 on my 1850 Crestliner. Love it even though some people say it's overkill. I have several friends with 80# Terrovas on boats similar to yours in size, they work OK. They are all walleye guys though, they don't spend the day moving around after bass.
On the fish finer(s) is that $1,000 for one unit or two, or each?
NHBull reply :
On 10/4/2017 at 8:55 PM, slonezp said:Is the Honda propped? Lund's boatbuilder does not include props on the Honda's, only on the Merc's
The dealer is going to prop it when we get it in the water.....included
On 10/5/2017 at 4:04 AM, Further North said:Not trying to talk you into anything, but having the fish finders linked to the trolling motor changed the way I fish.
A Terrova/Ulterra/Ultrex will make a big difference on its own...but linking the fish finders and trolling motors really lets you spend your time fishing instead of screwing around with boat control.
On the Ulterra, You'd probably be fine with an 80# unit, I run a 112 on my 1850 Crestliner. Love it even though some people say it's overkill. I have several friends with 80# Terrovas on boats similar to yours in size, they work OK. They are all walleye guys though, they don't spend the day moving around after bass.
On the fish finer(s) is that $1,000 for one unit or two, or each?
Originally it was for one, but rethinking it the benifits ofm2 in which case I would go 1500ish
Further North reply :
Two is great, depending on how you fish.
What features are you looking for? SI on a decent sized screen is going to be tough in that price range.
PS: Forgot to congratulate you on the boat. You're gonna love it!
NHBull reply :
On 10/5/2017 at 4:21 AM, Further North said:Two is great, depending on how you fish.
What features are you looking for? SI on a decent sized screen is going to be tough in that price range.
PS: Forgot to congratulate you on the boat. You're gonna love it!
This is an area that I don't know what I don't know and can't miss what I haven't had.
Given a lot of my fishing is in less than 20 ft, I would think side imaging would be a good thing but don't know if I would need it in both???
slonezp reply :
On 10/5/2017 at 5:09 AM, NHBull said:This is an area that I don't know what I don't know and can't miss what I haven't had.
Given a lot of my fishing is in less than 20 ft, I would think side imaging would be a good thing but don't know if I would need it in both???
I wouldn't be without it.
If you are a bank beater, it's probably not worth the investment. If you regularly fish 6ft or deeper, it's a great tool for finding cover, structure, and fish.
I'm ignorant as far as brands other than Humminbird and Minn Kota. I don't know the capabilities of Motorguide/Lowrance etc. My feeling is if you are going to buy a GPS enables trolling motor, you might as well go all out in the setup. My favorite part of having the HB units linked to the Minn Kota is I have the ability to mark waypoints while idling around and then have the trolling motor chauffeur me back to the waypoint and anchor upon arrival. Takes zero effort on my part.
Further North reply :
On 10/5/2017 at 4:21 AM, Further North said:Two is great, depending on how you fish.
What features are you looking for? SI on a decent sized screen is going to be tough in that price range.
PS: Forgot to congratulate you on the boat. You're gonna love it!
On 10/5/2017 at 5:09 AM, NHBull said:This is an area that I don't know what I don't know and can't miss what I haven't had.
Given a lot of my fishing is in less than 20 ft, I would think side imaging would be a good thing but don't know if I would need it in both???
On 10/5/2017 at 6:13 AM, slonezp said:I wouldn't be without it.
If you are a bank beater, it's probably not worth the investment. If you regularly fish 6ft or deeper, it's a great tool for finding cover, structure, and fish.
I'm ignorant as far as brands other than Humminbird and Minn Kota. I don't know the capabilities of Motorguide/Lowrance etc. My feeling is if you are going to buy a GPS enables trolling motor, you might as well go all out in the setup. My favorite part of having the HB units linked to the Minn Kota is I have the ability to mark waypoints while idling around and then have the trolling motor chauffeur me back to the waypoint and anchor upon arrival. Takes zero effort on my part.
I'm with slonezp on this, and I wish you lived closer so we could spend a few hours on the water so I could show you. The beauty of the full set-up is that while the system takes you from spot to spot...you just fish.
Here's an example that illustrates another feature, "Follow the Contour": On a local lake that I fish a fair amount, there's sunken island in a back bay that tends to hold pike and musky starting about this time of year. It comes up to about 4 ft. below the surface and has all kinds of structure and weeds on it. The whole thing is maybe 2 - 3 acres, but the best way to fish it is to work your way around the outside and cast into it from different angles. What I do is tell the system to follow the 9 ft. contour, set the trolling motor at .7 MPH (it also has cruise control)...and I fish. I usually make two circuits, and I won't touch the trolling motor for about a half hour (unless I catch a fish, then I hit the spot lock, nad resume when I've got the fish back in the water.
You can do the same thing in a bay, you can follow an offset contour (set yourself up for one cast distance, say 50 feet, off the 10 foot line) and fish an entire bay without having to deal with re-positioning because of wind or current, th emotor will speed up and slow down the prop speed to keep you close to your target speed.
For the fish finders, Side Imaging gives you what really amounts to a picture of what the world underwater looks like. Rocks look like rocks, weed lines look like weed lines, fish cribs look like fish cribs,,,sunken boats look like sunken boats... Really helps you focus on productive parts of the lake and skip the places where there's unlikely to be fish.
I'm also a Humminbird/Minn Kota user, but I know that Lowrance/Garmin, etc. all make great equipment, as does MotorGuide.
NHBull reply :
On 10/5/2017 at 6:13 AM, slonezp said:I wouldn't be without it.
If you are a bank beater, it's probably not worth the investment. If you regularly fish 6ft or deeper, it's a great tool for finding cover, structure, and fish.
I'm ignorant as far as brands other than Humminbird and Minn Kota. I don't know the capabilities of Motorguide/Lowrance etc. My feeling is if you are going to buy a GPS enables trolling motor, you might as well go all out in the setup. My favorite part of having the HB units linked to the Minn Kota is I have the ability to mark waypoints while idling around and then have the trolling motor chauffeur me back to the waypoint and anchor upon arrival. Takes zero effort on my part.
What hummingbird are you using and do you use 2?, thanks
Further North reply :
On 10/5/2017 at 7:21 AM, NHBull said:What hummingbird are you using and do you use 2?, thanks
I know you asked sloanzp, but I'll answer too, hope it's helpful.
I run a Helix 12 G2N SI "MEGA" unit at my console with a transducer off the back of the boat, and a Helix 10 G2N DI unit at the bow with a transducer on the bottom of the trolling motor.
The newer G2N units allow sharing of SI data even if the unit is not SI itself, so I found I could save a ton of money by going to the DI unit up front.
The Helix 9 units are significantly less expensive than my 10" and 12" ones. 7" units get a small for this old guy's eyes, particualarly with th emappong ans SI screens.
12poundbass reply :
On 10/5/2017 at 7:57 AM, Further North said:I know you asked sloanzp, but I'll answer too, hope it's helpful.
I run a Helix 12 G2N SI "MEGA" unit at my console with a transducer off the back of the boat, and a Helix 10 G2N DI unit at the bow with a transducer on the bottom of the trolling motor.
The newer G2N units allow sharing of SI data even if the unit is not SI itself, so I found I could save a ton of money by going to the DI unit up front.
The Helix 9 units are significantly less expensive than my 10" and 12" ones. 7" units get a small for this old guy's eyes, particualarly with th emappong ans SI screens.
Assuming he's looking for 2 units any of those would blow his $1k budget out of the water, otherwise I'd be focusing on a couple bird units.
MickD reply :
Has any Humminbird owner found justification for DI? I've been using it all summer and cannot find anything of value in it.
Further North reply :
On 10/5/2017 at 8:24 AM, MickD said:Has any Humminbird owner found justification for DI? I've been using it all summer and cannot find anything of value in it.
Probably best to start another topic on this specifically, but yeah.
DI is great for knowing exactly what you're sitting on top of. It also - with the G2N models - gives you the ability to see the SI from your other units you've got networked for way less money.
gimruis reply :
Don't forgot to post photos of your new ride in the "show off your ride" thread!
slonezp reply :
I've got old and older technology. 1198 at the helm, 1199 on the trolling motor Minn Kota Terrova with Ipilot Link all connected thru the ethernet box. You do not need side imaging units to control Ipilot Link. The graph(s) just need to be equipped with GPS and ethernet capable. Also you do not need more than one graph to utilize the Minn Kota Link feature. I know the newest units are bluetooth capable but haven't looked into them enough to know whether or not they still need to be connected thru ethernet. If you want to limit yourself to $1500, You could get 2 Helix 9's, one with side imaging and one without. Mind you this is also "old" technology, as the newest technology Helix units have Mega imaging and currently sell for a premium.
On 10/5/2017 at 8:24 AM, MickD said:Has any Humminbird owner found justification for DI? I've been using it all summer and cannot find anything of value in it.
I don't use it. I'll stick with SI and 2D sonar
Further North reply :
On 10/5/2017 at 9:11 AM, slonezp said:I've got old and older technology. 1198 at the helm, 1199 on the trolling motor Minn Kota Terrova with Ipilot Link all connected thru the ethernet box. You do not need side imaging units to control Ipilot Link. The graph(s) just need to be equipped with GPS and ethernet capable. Also you do not need more than one graph to utilize the Minn Kota Link feature. I know the newest units are bluetooth capable but haven't looked into them enough to know whether or not they still need to be connected thru ethernet. If you want to limit yourself to $1500, You could get 2 Helix 9's, one with side imaging and one without. Mind you this is also "old" technology, as the newest technology Helix units have Mega imaging and currently sell for a premium.
Good stuff...I just updated my 1198 and 798 units this spring to the new Helix G2N technology. I tend to be on about 4-5 year update plan.
The two Helix (Non-G2N) strategy would work great on a $1,500 budget.
slonezp reply :
On 10/5/2017 at 9:19 AM, Further North said:Good stuff...I just updated my 1198 and 798 units this spring to the new Helix G2N technology. I tend to be on about 4-5 year update plan.
The two Helix (Non-G2N) strategy would work great on a $1,500 budget.
Do the new units still need to be connected thru the ethernet box?
NHBull reply :
Looking at the new technology, I may have to bump the budget and appreciate the thoughts on the 2 units
Further North reply :
On 10/5/2017 at 9:21 AM, slonezp said:On 10/5/2017 at 9:19 AM, Further North said:Good stuff...I just updated my 1198 and 798 units this spring to the new Helix G2N technology. I tend to be on about 4-5 year update plan.
The two Helix (Non-G2N) strategy would work great on a $1,500 budget.
Do the new units still need to be connected thru the ethernet box?
Yes...if you have multiple units. I already had the Ethernet hub, so all I really had to run new wire on was the MEGA transducer.
I wound up running new power wires to each unit just because the old wires were 4 years old, and another thing I did this spring was put in a separate battery for my electronics to keep it isolated from everything else...so I was in there anyway...
slonezp reply :
Mind you these are the Gen 1 Helix units
https://www.universalmania.com/collections/fishing/products/humminbird-helix-9-si-gps-combo
https://www.universalmania.com/collections/fishing/products/humminbird-helix-9-sonar-gps-combo
I think the ethernet box runs about $250 and the cables are roughly $30 a piece
nocluefisher reply :
https://www.americanlegacyfishing.com/humminbird-helix-10-si-gps-combo-w-transducer-409990-1.html
J Francho reply :
On 10/5/2017 at 8:24 AM, MickD said:Has any Humminbird owner found justification for DI? I've been using it all summer and cannot find anything of value in it.
I use it side by side with 2D. When there are few weeds, and fishing deep, the target separation of DI is better. Especially if you are on top of a bait ball with a few predators.
webertime reply :
Wait until Black Friday for electronics. You can take it out now and pound the Smallies and Largeheads now with no real need for electronics. Personally: $1500... Garmin EchoMap SV and a 9" EchoMap DV at bow... Link the EchoMaps with a $20 cable so you can share waypoints. Stone simple to use.
12poundbass reply :
Here's my final take. No matter what brand you go with you're going to get great tools to aid in your fishing adventures. There's things you'll get with a Humminbird unit that Garmin won't have and vise versa. Same goes for Lowrance and don't forget Raymarine (though both of those seem to be a little steeper in price). My advise is to read, read, and read some more to better educate yourself on what 2d,SI,DI, mapping, and record your own maps do.
I've been reading, asking questions, and watching videos for 8 months or so and I still haven't purchased any units. I won't be making a boat purchase and electronics purchase until spring. One thing I can assure you is when I do make these purchases I'll know my boat well and I'll know my fish finders well. There will still be a learning curve for both, but I'll know what I have and at the end of the day the only regret I'll have is that my budget wasn't bigger.
Good luck, and if you have anymore questions just ask.
MickD reply :
On 10/5/2017 at 8:44 PM, J Francho said:I use it side by side with 2D. When there are few weeds, and fishing deep, the target separation of DI is better. Especially if you are on top of a bait ball with a few predators.
I guess I have yet to encounter that situation. It looks great, with fine detail, but I've not yet seen a single fish on it, mostly just weeds Thanks everyone for their comments , sorry I hi-jacked the thread. I'll be more careful in the future.
Further North reply :
On 10/5/2017 at 10:59 PM, MickD said:I guess I have yet to encounter that situation. It looks great, with fine detail, but I've not yet seen a single fish on it, mostly just weeds Thanks everyone for their comments , sorry I hi-jacked the thread. I'll be more careful in the future.
No need to be careful, but you'll get a ton more info if you start a separate topic.
I'd be interested in what the replies were.
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