Boats Collide On Tenkiller....no Pfds....when Will People Learn? 2024

BassnChris reply :

CHEROKEE COUNTY, Oklahoma - The Oklahoma Highway Patrol says a boating collision Tuesday afternoon on Lake Tenkiller hurt three people.

Troopers said the incident occurred on the Cherokee County lake between Needles Point and Snake Creek at about 2:30 p.m.

The OHP said a 1996 Skeeter bass boat operated by James Williams, 43, of Ganns was headed east when it was struck by a southbound 1991 Ranger bass boat operated by Jeremy Bersche, 28, of Sallisaw.

Troopers said the impact threw Bersche and a passenger, Ernest Fletcher, 38, of Fort Smith out of their boat. Bersche wasn't injured, but Fletcher was taken to a Fort Smith hospital where he was treated and released.

The driver of the other boat, James Williams wasn't injured, but his two passengers - Jason Belt, 43, and Anthony Farris, 36, both from Sallisaw - were taken to the hospital. Belt was flown to a Tulsa hospital and Farris was taken to a Tahlequah hospital. Both were admitted and the OHP says both were stable.

The OHP says no one on either boat was wearing a life jacket.

When will people learn to wear pfds ? You just never know when you'll need them!

slonezp reply :

We had a canoe tip over this past weekend on a local lake. Dad and 2 kids. A shore fisherman called 911 . Kids survived father did not. No pfds on the boat

gardnerjigman reply :

Wow... I don't get it. Whether it be laziness or pure ignorance, it's always sad how your decisions will affect the ones around you. My heart goes out for those kids slonezp

mrc.in.wi reply :

"It won't happen to me" has killed or injured many people.

Darren. reply :

Lake Tenkiller... ominous name.

At least nobody was killed. But the other

story about the father and 2 kids, now

that's sad.

I see way too many people on reservoirs

here out in kayaks, canoes not wearing PFDs.

Maybe they think because it isn't "required"

it isn't "necessary". Logic couldn't be more

wrong.

Alonerankin2 reply :

Sounds like impact injuries to me, not sure wearing pfd's minimize those injuries.. Wearing pfd's certainly won't prevent a careless accident.

Darren. reply :

On 4/16/2015 at 10:29 PM, Alonerankin2 said:
Sounds like impact injuries to me, not sure wearing pfd's minimize those injuries.. Wearing pfd's certainly won't prevent a careless accident.

Quite true, I guess it just goes hand-in-hand

with the tragic nature of boat collisions, etc.

If the collision knocked one guy out, and threw

him from boat, the PFD would have saved his life,

presumably...

flyfisher reply :

your chances of surviving any type of accident on the water increases with a PFD being worn.

it is really sad to see that a dad and his two kids going out to enjoy nature in a canoe ends in such a tragic event. I hesitate to call it an accident because not wearing a PFD is not an accident, it is a conscious choice that is made that can have dire consequences. I feel for those kids having to see their dad drown, probably while trying to help them too...

A-Jay reply :

Being on the water without any Life Jackets is like jumping out of a plane without a parachute.

Demise is close and with each passing moment, it's getting closer.

A-Jay

SenkoGuru reply :

I am sorry to hear that, I would love to say that wearing a PFD comes with age but that seems to be wrong. I see so many on Toledo Bend that launch and take off with no PDF and some do not even know how to run the boat lanes here. Toledo Bend is filled with stumps every where, in the last three years alone I've follow four boats back to the ramp because they had hit a stump and were taking on water, only one of those had on PDF's.

See my Sig.

J Francho reply :

By no means am advocating against wearing a PFD, however, I don't see how wearing one would have prevented any of the injuries in this collision. In the second example, the father and two boys in a canoe, a PFD appears to be more critical. I've always felt it was backwards to wear it when your running fast in a power boat, but skip it in a small, paddled vessel. Seems like we get this backwards all the time. If I crash my bass boat while the big motor is running, I've got bigger issues than staying afloat. But it's easy to trip, hit your head and fall in when up on the deck. Just my personal thoughts on rules, and rationale behind the safety.

wnspain reply :

I don't wear one while fishing at trolling motor speeds, the majority of fishermen don't, at least the ones that I know. I do wear one when while under power of the main. I've not known one of my fishing buddies to ever require one while on the water, but they're a nice safeguard just in case you do. BTW...I disagree with the analogy that it's like jumping out of a plane without a parachute...I've jumped plenty and it's not the fall that will kill ya, it's the sudden stop at the end. No such animal while at trolling motor speeds on the water, unless some numbnuts tries to run you over. Not so sure a PFD is going to do you much good in that situation unless you are knocked into the water unconscious

A-Jay reply :

On 4/17/2015 at 6:04 AM, wnspain said:
I don't wear one while fishing at trolling motor speeds, the majority of fishermen don't, at least the ones that I know. I do wear one when while under power of the main. I've not known one of my fishing buddies to ever require one while on the water, but they're a nice safeguard just in case you do. BTW...I disagree with the analogy that it's like jumping out of a plane without a parachute...I've jumped plenty and it's not the fall that will kill ya, it's the sudden stop at the end. No such animal while at trolling motor speeds on the water, unless some numbnuts tries to run you over. Not so sure a PFD is going to do you much good in that situation unless you are knocked into the water unconscious

Fair enough.

I will say that choosing to not wear a Life Jacket because you do not know anyone who has ever needed one is an extremely naïve perspective.

After three decades of Search & Recue, I've met plenty.

Some of them rode home in a big Black Bag.

A-Jay

K_Mac reply :

I lost a good friend a couple of years ago when he fell from his boat while fishing. No PFD. I nearly drowned when I fell off a friends boat in cold water. No PFD. I am a good swimmer. My friend was a great swimmer and in great shape. When fishing alone or in cold water if you are not wearing some sort of PFD you are gambling with your life. Any time you are running at speed, same thing. Some of us get lucky, others don't. I wear an inflatable belt-always unless I am wearing something better.

J Francho reply :

On 4/17/2015 at 6:04 AM, wnspain said:
I don't wear one while fishing at trolling motor speeds, the majority of fishermen don't, at least the ones that I know. I do wear one when while under power of the main. I've not known one of my fishing buddies to ever require one while on the water, but they're a nice safeguard just in case you do. BTW...I disagree with the analogy that it's like jumping out of a plane without a parachute...I've jumped plenty and it's not the fall that will kill ya, it's the sudden stop at the end. No such animal while at trolling motor speeds on the water, unless some numbnuts tries to run you over. Not so sure a PFD is going to do you much good in that situation unless you are knocked into the water unconscious

That last bit, and fishing coldish water (50s) water are when you'll want one. Otherwise, when the big motor is running, all a PFD is good for on my eyes is to have a body to bury. I wear mine 90% of the time anyway, though, it's a light auto inflate.

How's that saying go A-jay? 50% chance of living after being submerged in 50 deg water for 50 minutes.

slonezp reply :

Here's the article. There was a second man in the canoe. 49* water and I heard they found the dads body in 22fow 3 hours after the accident http://wgntv.com/2015/04/13/3-rescued-1-dead-in-canoe-accident/ and http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Man-Dies-in-Canoe-Accident--299532141.html

BassnChris reply :

Very sad about their dad not making it.

A pfd is for emergencies. We seldom, if ever, know when the emergency will happen.....if we did we would just avoid being in that place at that moment in time.

I'll go when the good Lord has decided I'm done here on earth.......I don't recall how many stories I've read or seen on TV where the missing fisherman was not wearing a PFD.....days, sometimes weeks go by before the body is found if it is even found at all.

I don't want to put my family through that........like Franco said......make it easier to find my body if nothing else.

Alonerankin2 reply :

I wore one on 8 Different aircraft carriers, that's a bit different. I would wear one while motoring like JF stated, other than that.. It's my choice not to.

What does upset me, people driving flooded roadways... There have been 7 drownings this month driving flooded roadways... I guess it was their choice too, but I can't help, based on the ages & gender, they simply didn't grasp the power

& danger of water.

A-Jay reply :

On 4/17/2015 at 7:08 AM, J Francho said:

That last bit, and fishing coldish water (50s) water are when you'll want one. Otherwise, when the big motor is running, all a PFD is good for on my eyes is to have a body to bury. I wear mine 90% of the time anyway, though, it's a light auto inflate.

How's that saying go A-jay? 50% chance of living after being submerged in 50 deg water for 50 minutes.

Here you go J ~

HYPOTHERMIA IN WATER

Loss of body heat to the water, is a major cause of deaths in boating accidents. Often the cause of death is listed as drowning; but, often the primary cause is hypothermia. It should also be noted that alcohol lowers the body temperature around two to three degrees by dilating the blood vessels. Do not drink alcohol around cold water. The following chart shows the effects of hypothermia in water:

WATER TEMPERATURE / EXHAUSTION / SURVIVAL TIME

32.5 degrees............................Under 15 min........Under 15 TO 45 min.

32.5 to 40................................15 to 30 min.........30 to 90 min.

40 to 50...................................30 to 60 min.........1 to 3 hrs.

50 to 60...................................1 to 2 hrs..............1 to 6 hrs.

60 to 70...................................2 to 7 hrs..............2 to 40 hrs.

70 to 80...................................3 to 12 hrs............3 hrs. to indefinite

Over 80...................................Indefinite...............Indefinite

PFD's (personal flotation devices / better known as life jackets) can increase survival time because of the insulating value they provide. In water less than 50 degrees you should wear a wet suit or dry suit to protect more of the body.

SOME POINTS TO REMEMBER:

While in the water, do not attempt to swim unless to reach nearby safety. Unnecessary swimming increases the rate of body heat loss. Keep your head out of the water. This will increase your survival time.
Keep a positive attitude about your rescue. This will increase your chances of survival.
If there is more than one person in the water, huddling is recommended.
Always wear your PFD. It won't help if you don't have it on.

A-Jay

Darren. reply :

To each his or her own, I suppose, since it isn't a

law to *have one on* at all times.

If it were a rule, or mandatory that we wear PFDs,

at all times, I wouldn't complain because it is part

of my arsenal and my sons' no matter what.

I just don't want there to ever be a "what if he wore

his PFD?" if I were in an accident on the water.

I'm with A-Jay and his point #4. Logical to the core.

CRANKENSTIEN reply :

When I am on busy lakes I rarely see people wearing pfds there is a lot of choices in life we can all make to be safer. That being said I wear one when I am by myself but usually not with others. I always wear one when on Cold water.

slonezp reply :

I've been contemplating getting a Float Coat for early and late season fishing. When I fish late season, I'm normally wearing Carhart bibs, Carhart jacket, and boots. If I ever fell in, I'm going straight to the bottom. Do not pass go, do not collect $200

Vayned reply :

I plan on wearing one all the time when I get my first boat. Could lose control of a boat or anything could happen, would rather not take the risk.

Long Mike reply :

If you are in my boat and the big motor is running, you WILL wear a PFD or you WILL remain at the dock. At trolling motor speeds, it's up to you.

A-Jay reply :

On 4/17/2015 at 8:45 AM, slonezp said:
I've been contemplating getting a Float Coat for early and late season fishing. When I fish late season, I'm normally wearing Carhart bibs, Carhart jacket, and boots. If I ever fell in, I'm going straight to the bottom. Do not pass go, do not collect $200

Float coats are nice - I lived in one spring & fall for a long time. It was a Mustang.

Had two, the Classic Float Coat (down over the hips) and then during boarding's, the Bomber Style for gun belt & weapons access.

Stayed toasty warm - usually.

A-Jay

curtis9 reply :

I wear mine 100% of the time I'm on the water. I don't see any reason not to have it on

wnspain reply :

On 4/17/2015 at 6:35 AM, A-Jay said:

Fair enough.

I will say that choosing to not wear a Like Jacket because you do not know anyone who has ever needed one is an extremely naïve perspective.

After three decades of Search & Recue, I've met plenty.

Some of them rode home in a big Black Bag.

A-Jay

I'm have no doubt that what you're saying is accurate. Cold water is a killer, but you guys live in that type of climate. Us southern dudes don't, but are by no means completely safe on the water. Anyways, I never said that my choice for not wearing a PFD is because I've not known anybody who needed one, fact is I do wear one when going over trolling motor speeds. I never have found one that is very comfortable is the main reason I don't wear it all the time. I know plenty of parents that swear it is a mortal sin to let their child ride a bicycle without a helmet, yet we have a whole generation of baby boomers that survived that very circumstance. I'm not knocking anyone who wears a PFD, far from it. In some cases, I think it's reckless not to. I see your're a coastie, so I get it about water safety and PFDs. The philosophy is pounded into your head, and it left an deep impression. Fact is, when fishing close to the shore in shallow warm water, the risk is only slightly increased over stepping into a warm tub of water. I doubt any of you don a PFD in that situation. If you do, to each his own...

J Francho reply :

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I know plenty of parents that swear it is a mortal sin to let their child ride a bicycle without a helmet, yet we have a whole generation of baby boomers that survived that very circumstance.

The ones that didn't survive are probably dead. :/

Alonerankin2 reply :

It's all about having choices.. Some people will, some people won't.. Same life safety issues plague Motorcycle riders, helmet or no helmet.

To each their own, what else can one say?

J Francho reply :

Do first responders have a choice?

Alonerankin2 reply :

Lol, nope..

J Francho reply :

I keep waiting to get called out on my avatar pic, lol.

wnspain reply :

On 4/18/2015 at 3:34 AM, Alonerankin2 said:

It's all about having choices.. Some people will, some people won't.. Same life safety issues plague Motorcycle riders, helmet or no helmet.

To each their own, what else can one say?

Life time dirt rider here, will not throw my leg over one without my lid. Have never owned a street bike, way too many bumpers out there that I have no desire to kiss, helmet or not.

wnspain reply :

On 4/18/2015 at 3:52 AM, J Francho said:
I keep waiting to get called out on my avatar pic, lol.

Yep, that looks like risky business to me !!

Alonerankin2 reply :

On 4/18/2015 at 3:52 AM, wnspain said:
Life time dirt rider here, will not throw my leg over one without my lid. Have never owned a street bike, way too many bumpers out there that I have no desire to kiss, helmet or not.

Yup, my brother was killed in 06 on the Kennedy bridge ( I-65 N ) no helmet, not illegal.. Wouldn't have mattered.. Tractor trailor got tangled.. Toys for Tots event.. Lots of danger in the world, lol

retiredbosn reply :

I for one never recovered a body wearing a pfd, I don't know if Ajay did. The argument for not wearing one at trolling speeds honestly makes no sense, statistically you're at greater risk. You're typically standing; a little off balance with one foot on the motor control. How many times have you tripped because the trolling motor was pointing in the opposite direction or the motor is on high? If your beating the banks water is typically shallow, when u go over the side accidently 90% of the time you're going head first. No pfd and you're going to hit the bottom head first. Better hope its not soft and mucky; talk about a bad day, being fully conscious up to your shoulders in muck and stuck head first! Or worse hard bottom and break your neck. I'm not saying I believe that there should be laws mandating pfd's, I DON'T. BTW the vest type is one of the worse pfd's to choose, because if you're knocked unconscious it will not re-right u to keep your head above water; the auto inflates appear to me that they will. So choose the right pfd and use it, or don't and be a canidate for the Darwin Awards.

SenkoGuru reply :

My uncle was shot down in the Baltic Sea and he survived with out any life vest for over a week before he was saved. It was a tough story for him to tell us. My Uncle could swim like a fish and was the best swimmer I've ever seen but even after all of that, he feel out of his boat, while trolling on high and standing up in the Blue Lake section of Toledo Bend and he Drown. Now I'm not saying a life vest would have saved him because he fell into a large moss bed but to survive a plane being shot down into the sea and then drown like that was quite....shocking.

Edit.....You will never catch me out on the lake without my PFD on and I too can swim very well but it would be hard to swim if I was knocked out or hurt and I have a wife and three children to come home to and support.

PAGreg reply :

I started wearing an inflatable pfd last season at all times as a promise to my wife and kids. Now, I don't even know its there. It doesn't inhibit my fishing in any way.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to wear it when you're sitting down in the lowest part of the boat while motoring and then take it off to stand on the highest point, closest to the edge.

Matthew2000 reply :

On 4/21/2015 at 3:52 AM, PAGreg said:

I started wearing an inflatable pfd last season at all times as a promise to my wife and kids. Now, I don't even know its there. It doesn't inhibit my fishing in any way.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to wear it when you're sitting down in the lowest part of the boat while motoring and then take it off to stand on the highest point, closest to the edge.

What if it's 100 degrees out and you can barely keep a shirt on ?

curtis9 reply :

On 4/21/2015 at 8:32 AM, Matthew2000 said:
What if it's 100 degrees out and you can barely keep a shirt on ?

I wear long sleeves year round to limit sun exposure. Inflatable pfd on top isn't a big deal.

J Francho reply :

Put it on your epitaph. "He usually wore a PFD, but the day he departed was triple digits."

But seriously, I actually find that the technical SPF shirts and pants are cooler than shorts and no shirt.

PAGreg reply :

On 4/21/2015 at 8:38 AM, curtis9 said:
I wear long sleeves year round to limit sun exposure. Inflatable pfd on top isn't a big deal.

Same here. I cover up in the sun and stay much cooler. Pfd stays on.

Trek reply :

I have fallen off the front deck of my boat more times then I want to admit. Part of fishing I guess. If I'm fishing with a friend I don't worry about it as much because I have help there. But if I put my boat up on pads we always wear a PFD. It's just a boat rule.

Matthew2000 reply :

On 4/21/2015 at 8:44 AM, J Francho said:

Put it on your epitaph. "He usually wore a PFD, but the day he departed was triple digits."

But seriously, I actually find that the technical SPF shirts and pants are cooler than shorts and no shirt.

You don't get triple digits much do you ?

A-Jay reply :

On 4/21/2015 at 8:54 PM, Matthew2000 said:
You don't get triple digits much do you ?

You haven't wore the proper items before have you ?

Todays clothing protects you from damaging UV radiation by blocking the majority of the sun's harmful rays, letting you stay out longer on sunny days. Unlike SPF (Sun Protection Factor)--which is a measure of sunburn reduction from sunblock and protects you from UVA rays-- modern products are far more versatile, combining a tight-weave construction, UV reflectors, and UV absorbing technology. These features not only prevent sunburns and long-term skin damage, but they also protect the wearer from UVB rays in addition to UVA rays. UVB rays are much more harmful than UVA, and are present even on cloudy days. Plus, this protection doesn't wear off. Instead, your safety increases as the Ultraviolet Protection Factor (UPF) increases.

Bare skin with sunscreen can not & does not provide any thing close to the cool comfort of todays products designed for the job.

A cotton T-shirt is not in this category.

A-Jay

Matthew2000 reply :

On 4/21/2015 at 9:04 PM, A-Jay said:

You haven't wore the proper items before have you ?

Todays clothing protects you from damaging UV radiation by blocking the majority of the sun's harmful rays, letting you stay out longer on sunny days. Unlike SPF (Sun Protection Factor)--which is a measure of sunburn reduction from sunblock and protects you from UVA rays-- modern products are far more versatile, combining a tight-weave construction, UV reflectors, and UV absorbing technology. These features not only prevent sunburns and long-term skin damage, but they also protect the wearer from UVB rays in addition to UVA rays. UVB rays are much more harmful than UVA, and are present even on cloudy days. Plus, this protection doesn't wear off. Instead, your safety increases as the Ultraviolet Protection Factor (UPF) increases.

Bare skin with sunscreen can not & does not provide any thing close to the cool comfort of todays products designed for the job.

A cotton T-shirt is not in this category.

I wore the underarmor stuff last year. It was taken off by the end of the day aswell but not as soon as the other stuff. I agree that it helps but sometimes nothing can keep you cool but taking a dunk every now and then.

A-Jay

J Francho reply :

On 4/21/2015 at 8:54 PM, Matthew2000 said:
You don't get triple digits much do you ?

Every summer, with humidity.

J Francho reply :

I think I'd rather drown than die of skin cancer.

flyfisher reply :

On 4/21/2015 at 9:46 PM, J Francho said:
I think I'd rather drown than die of skin cancer.

And the sad thing is decreasing the probability of either happening is basic and often forgotten or completely disregarded.

Trek reply :

On 4/21/2015 at 9:46 PM, J Francho said:
I think I'd rather drown than die of skin cancer.

I had some skin cancer taken off my leg about three years ago. Trust me it will wake you up when the doctor says it's cancer. I now cover up pretty good and pile on the sun screen. This year I even got three new long sleeve shirts and face mask from HUK. They make pretty good stuff and it is amazing how cool they keep you. As you get older you start paying for all the stupid stuff you did when you were younger. Smoking, chewing, drinking to much, sunburns and gaining weight are the big ones. Treat your body better and as you age your body will treat you better.

Alonerankin2 reply :

On 4/21/2015 at 9:04 PM, A-Jay said:

You haven't wore the proper items before have you ?

Todays clothing protects you from damaging UV radiation by blocking the majority of the sun's harmful rays, letting you stay out longer on sunny days. Unlike SPF (Sun Protection Factor)--which is a measure of sunburn reduction from sunblock and protects you from UVA rays-- modern products are far more versatile, combining a tight-weave construction, UV reflectors, and UV absorbing technology. These features not only prevent sunburns and long-term skin damage, but they also protect the wearer from UVB rays in addition to UVA rays. UVB rays are much more harmful than UVA, and are present even on cloudy days. Plus, this protection doesn't wear off. Instead, your safety increases as the Ultraviolet Protection Factor (UPF) increases.

Bare skin with sunscreen can not & does not provide any thing close to the cool comfort of todays products designed for the job.

A cotton T-shirt is not in this category.

A-Jay

Good stuff! I got to thinking... What about UFO ?

A-Jay reply :

On 4/22/2015 at 2:47 AM, Alonerankin2 said:
Good stuff! I got to thinking... What about UFO ?

Right UFO's - Unusually Fowl Odors.

My dogs cause those routinely while in my truck ~ Not Good.

Sunscreen doesn't seem to help there either.

A-Jay

Alonerankin2 reply :

On 4/22/2015 at 2:55 AM, A-Jay said:

Right UFO's - Unusually Fowl Odors.

My dogs cause those routinely while in my truck ~ Not Good.

Sunscreen doesn't seem to help there either.

A-Jay

LOL... I'm just pickin on ya! Seriously though, good stuff on the potential dangers of sunlight.

A young person should heed this information and incorporate all the modern day technology into all of their outdoor activity's. I guess I'm just to ornery to comply myself ( sorta older too ) wait, being older is suppose to make me wiser, yea, ornery is the right word!

A-Jay reply :

On 4/22/2015 at 3:15 AM, Alonerankin2 said:

LOL... I'm just pickin on ya! Seriously though, good stuff on the potential dangers of sunlight.

A young person should heed this information and incorporate all the modern day technology into all of their outdoor activity's. I guess I'm just to ornery to comply myself ( sorta older too ) wait, being older is suppose to make me wiser, yea, ornery is the right word!

I know & I'm enjoying every minute of it.

A-Jay

Snakehead Whisperer reply :

On 4/18/2015 at 3:52 AM, J Francho said:
I keep waiting to get called out on my avatar pic, lol.

Put some shoes on!

But seriously, the PFD is a no-brainer. I wear mine whenever the boat is underway, and all the time when the combined air/water temperature is below 120 degrees. I was ejected from my boat and landed at least 30' from it while underway, and the PFD saved my life. Water was in the 50's and air was colder. I was experiencing the early stages of hypothermia within 10-15 minutes, and I have no doubt that I wouldn't have made it without the life jacket.

The thing that strikes me as odd with this story is that Tenkiller is not a lake that has a ton of boat traffic. I'm glad nobody was killed. If it can happen there, then it can happen anywhere.

J Francho reply :

I'm wearing flip flops, jeez. Youre the second person to mention that today!

wuchr20 reply :

To Be Honest... They will never learn

MGEOD reply :

On 4/17/2015 at 9:16 AM, Long Mike said:
If you are in my boat and the big motor is running, you WILL wear a PFD or you WILL remain at the dock. At trolling motor speeds, it's up to you.

This is my rule , I have had a boat wreck.. Like my chances a lot more with one. I also wear a impact rated one at the speeds my boat will run

Trek reply :

I use to own a Campion 198. I was fishing at the mouth of a channel and had a slight wind blowing out of the channel. It was warm and I had shorts, tee shirt and flip flops on. And for about the third time on that boat my flip flop tripped on the boat tie and in I went. At first I sort of laughed but then I had to get in the boat. A Champion sits nose high in the water so I swam to the back of the boat and because I was wet the rail became so slippery I couldn't grab it to pull myself up. I tried to swim the boat closer to shore but it was to heavy and the wind was push me out deeper. I finally bear hugged the motor and used the trim to left me up and slid over the top of it to get in the boat. I'm in pretty good shape and I had a really had time getting back in the boat. The Ranger I own now has an on board ladder in the back and fold down boat ties.

wnspain reply :

OK, ok, you guys have convinced me. I just purchased a Mustang Inflatable PFD. Wore it yesterday (all day) for the first time, I think I can get comfortable with it. One thing though, you guys didn't tell me it would reduce the # of fish caught. Only 4 bass and 3 cats for a 1/2 day of fishing Could be worse I guess, but not much. j/k

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