Whats the best for the money? Dont want to spend alot of money on one, anyone have the Minn Kota shallow water anchor?
Boat is an 18ft Laser
I like the idea of the power poles better, all the boats I've fished as a Co angler the power poles seem quite and I can find them cheaper.
I got the Talon 3 years ago. Best pricing was on amazon. MK has mail in rebates
If purchased new, they seem pretty comparable in price.
Yea, pretty comparable. Talons are a bit cheaper than the power-poles at all major retailers I frequent. Never used them, have no friends that have. I am looking to get 1 or 2 shortly, and for me a major factor in my decision is space. The Talons don't eat up the battery box like a power pole does to my knowledge. Thats important for me because I do not see how I could realistically fit the power pole accessories in my back compartment. Talons to my knowledge are self contained and do not present this problem.
On 1/19/2016 at 10:57 AM, BaitMonkey1984 said:Yea, pretty comparable. Talons are a bit cheaper than the power-poles at all major retailers I frequent. Never used them, have no friends that have. I am looking to get 1 or 2 shortly, and for me a major factor in my decision is space. The Talons don't eat up the battery box like a power pole does to my knowledge. Thats important for me because I do not see how I could realistically fit the power pole accessories in my back compartment. Talons to my knowledge are self contained and do not present this problem.
It really depends on the model of power pole you're looking at. For instance the Sportsman II is cheaper than the Tallon. ($1,395 vs $1,799.99). If you compare the Power Pole Blade to the Tallon the Tallon is cheaper. ($1,995 vs $1,799.99) If you don't have a flat transom or don't want to drill holes in your transom, you'll also need adapter brackets. Power Poles brackets run around $200 where the adapter for the Tallons are $299.99. So comparing Blade vs Tallon with brackets they are very close in price with a Tallon being slightly cheaper ($2,099.98 vs $2,190).
I hear you on the space issue though.
Also with the talon if you plan on going under low bridges you'll need a tilt bracket or even backing it into a garage. Thats another $200 bracket. For my boat I would have had $500 tied up in brackets for the talon. Made me look into the power-pole which is what I pulled the trigger on. Hoping I made the right decision. I like the all electric of the talon. The simpleness of the power-pole. You can install drift paddles on a pole to slow your troll if you were so inclined to do so. The only thing I don't like about the pole is the hydraulics. It seems though problems with them are few and far between. IMO its a horse apiece depnding on what you want. I really thought they were both great additions to any boat so for me it really just came down to price as im sure I would have been happy with either units. $300 was the deciding factor.
I went Talon simply because I wanted the extra 4ft of depth, (12ft Talon) and is still all contained in the same size unit (4ft high)as a Power Pole, but if I'd gone to 10ft poles it would be even taller, so that was a no go for me. Also has a manual raise if you loose power since it runs off batteries. So no need to try and manually have to lift them by getting in the water and tying them up as you will have to do if the blades fail. I do have the fold down bracket and with a $60 plug adapter I can pull the Talon off the boat and store it if needed without any problems in about 3minutes. The fold down I wanted especially for travelling and storing reasons. It may run a bit more but the positives outweighed the costs in the long run.
I am waiting on the new three stage 8 foot Minn Kota Talon. I have a 36Volt trolling motor and just do not have any room for hydraulics. The new 3 stage 8 foot Talon is significantly shorter and based on my measurements will be the same height as the top of my 225 Pro XS. Thus garage and low bridges should not require the tilt bracket. The frustrating part has been that MinnKota announced this model back in July at Icast and it is still not fully released to dealers. They have been telling me next week next week since October.
Just in case you are unaware, there's also manual options out there. Check out the Bottom Buster from Alien Labs for an example of what I'm talking about.
On 2/11/2016 at 4:51 AM, Carp104 said:Just in case you are unaware, there's also manual options out there. Check out the Bottom Buster from Alien Labs for an example of what I'm talking about.
I like the price of these.....but 'convenience' is my main concern.......not sure I really 'need' poles......but I know I would love to 'have' them!
I bought my 2004 boat used a couple of years ago and the Power Pole was having some issues with the pump brain not recognizing the remotes. After a call to PP and help from them with troubleshooting they figured it out and sent me the part in two days; for free. Must add, that my pole is outside it's warranty, so that says a lot. If and when I add another or buy another boat, it will be a power pole based on the customer service they provided to me.
5lb dumbell on a 50 yard line is pretty hard to beat.
I use a 15lb mushroom anchor. It sinks into the mud on the bottom, and you can tie off with the anchor line if you need to without using the anchor at all.
can get a 12ft talon with rebate now for 13-1400 if you shop around
http://www.stickitanchorpins.com/
Best bang for buck, been using it for duck boats for years! No issues and way cheaper than Powerpoles and Talons. I assume an 18' Laser is an Aluminum boat, correct?
As far as Talons vs PowerPole, I have Powerpoles and have broken two. I learned that holding a 2500lb boat in a cross current with one doesn't work!
I got a dig in shallow water anchor and motor mount from TW on sale. great deal and works fine
I have managed to bass fish over 50 years from "bass boats" without a mechanical power pole anchor and don't see any reason to start now. When I need a anchor, it's tied to the end of a rope and good for any depth I fish.
Tom
I have the new 12 foot talon. I have not used it yet though, as I live in MN and everything is still froze. The reason I chose the Talon was for reasons already indicated on this thread...space in the battery compartment, tilt bracket, added depth, etc. WRB, yes I do also have a manual anchor with a rope in my boat too, and I use it.
On 2/14/2016 at 2:54 AM, WRB said:I have managed to bass fish over 50 years from "bass boats" without a mechanical power pole anchor and don't see any reason to start now. When I need a anchor, it's tied to the end of a rope and good for any depth I fish.
Tom
This is an anti-progress response. I'm sure you have a great deal of information and experience to share with this community but saying things like this will guarantee that your opinions are marginalized to newer members like me and many others.
Occasionally someone will tease me for having power windows in my car as well, as they have hand cranks that work fine.
It just paints an unnecessarily stubborn picture.
Tell me this; when do you use a shallow water anchor?
Answer, you want to hold the boat in place quietly to target bed fish. You only anchor the boat to stop it and hold in place in windy conditions.
How often have you anchored during the past year, past 5 years or past 10 years to hold the boat in place and targeting bed fish?
Mty answer; only when night fishing isolated deep structure in windy condition so I am not blown off the spot when retrying hooks etc. I don't use anchors during the day because I do not target bed fish or use live bait.
To me shallow water anchors are a fad, a must have accessory because everyone else in club has them. I control my boat position using my trolling motor becuase it works for me and and see no reason to change. One reason is I prefer to keep my boat in water deeper than shallow water anchors are functional.
Tom
On 2/19/2016 at 10:28 AM, WRB said:Tell me this; when do you use a shallow water anchor?
Answer, you want to hold the boat in place quietly to target bed fish. You only anchor the boat to stop it and hold in place in windy conditions.
How often have you anchored during the past year, past 5 years or past 10 years to hold the boat in place and targeting bed fish?
Mty answer; only when night fishing isolated deep structure in windy condition so I am not blown off the spot when retrying hooks etc. I don't use anchors during the day because I do not target bed fish or use live bait.
To me shallow water anchors are a fad, a must have accessory because everyone else in club has them. I control my boat position using my trolling motor becuase it works for me and and see no reason to change. One reason is I prefer to keep my boat in water deeper than shallow water anchors are functional.
Tom
I fish power gen rivers. I have to anchor constantly so I can pick apart areas with my frogs or buzzbaits or the current would take me right off the spots that I want to cast from. I did this last season by using a dumbell tied to a rope. I won't do that for the rest of my life. Sooner or later I will spend money for convenience. I just haven't made my mind up yet.
I also like to spend a minute or two picking apart fallen timber in the strong current of these gen rivers. Anchoring is needed.
Shallow water anchors are no fad, they are here to stay.
My dad told me one time that "no one needs a 4 door truck" when I bought one. These things are ridiculous to say. Do you remember when 4 door trucks weren't even made? I do.
It's like this "if it helps, it will be successful ".
Every new bass boat comes equipped with them, standard option.
The only time I have witnessed the anchors down is when the anglers are targeting bed fish, otherwise they are up. Time will tell if they are a fad or not.
If you need them , get 2 so the boat doesn't spin in wind or current damaging the unit.
Don't fish in rivers, do fish in 25+ Mph sustained wind often in 2' waves where these anchors are worthless.
Tom
On 2/19/2016 at 10:51 AM, WRB said:Every new bass boat comes equipped with them, standard option.
The only time I have witnessed the anchors down is when the anglers are targeting bed fish, otherwise they are up. Time will tell if they are a fad or not.
If you need them , get 2 so the boat doesn't spin in wind or current damaging the unit.
Don't fish in rivers, do fish in 25+ Mph sustained wind often in 2' waves where these anchors are worthless.
Tom
I have a single Talon on my Lund. It gets more use fishing for panfish than it does bass. I am not a bed fisherman, I do not have the patience. I do however like to pick apart shallow docks and it comes in handy. I use it as a pivot point while I'm on the trolling motor. I can thoroughly fish neighboring docks with zero or minimal boat movement. I believe it's money well spent but by no means is it a necessity. It would be the last upgrade I would make to a boat. Just another tool for the arsenal.
I just don't know when the hell I would ever be able to use them. Other than the one time I go to Clearlake every year I'd never even get to use them. Everywhere I fish here is steep canyon reservoirs. Even when bed fishing the back of my boat is usually deeper than 12 feet.
I'd love to have a set, but they'd be more for looks than actual use.
i use my single PP a lot. I tend not to bed fish but I've parked in coves to get out of the wind, and use it in extremely windy days on the delta river and it's helped and held me with no problems. The other day my trolling motor died and the wind was blowing, without the PP our day would have been tough but we managed to park in spots that produced some good fish. although not a necessity, it is nice to have.
On 2/19/2016 at 10:51 AM, WRB said:Every new bass boat comes equipped with them, standard option.
The only time I have witnessed the anchors down is when the anglers are targeting bed fish, otherwise they are up. Time will tell if they are a fad or not.
If you need them , get 2 so the boat doesn't spin in wind or current damaging the unit.
Don't fish in rivers, do fish in 25+ Mph sustained wind often in 2' waves where these anchors are worthless.
Tom
Every new bass boat DOES NOT come equipped with them as a standard option because I just bought a new bass boat last month and it DID NOT come with one. I had to add it as an add-on feature and paid extra for it.
I recently bought a 2009 Legend with a 10' Talon on it. Mostly fish highland lakes and there is no way I would pay $2000 for one much less double that for two. It is handy for securing the boat when launching, although I have tied a boat off for 50 years. The best use for the Tallon is when one gets old they tend to loose wizz pressure along with balance and it's GREAT to hold on to so I don't stain my carpet yellow
On 2/21/2016 at 10:40 AM, gimruis said:Every new bass boat DOES NOT come equipped with them as a standard option because I just bought a new bass boat last month and it DID NOT come with one. I had to add it as an add-on feature and paid extra for it.
On 2/21/2016 at 10:40 AM, gimruis said:Every new bass boat DOES NOT come equipped with them as a standard option because I just bought a new bass boat last month and it DID NOT come with one. I had to add it as an add-on feature and paid extra for it.
Option means optional, ordered it as a option form a dealer in lieu of installing the item yourself. Hope you get lots of use from it.
Tom
On 2/19/2016 at 9:55 AM, Bass newb said:This is an anti-progress response. I'm sure you have a great deal of information and experience to share with this community but saying things like this will guarantee that your opinions are marginalized to newer members like me and many others.
Occasionally someone will tease me for having power windows in my car as well, as they have hand cranks that work fine.
It just paints an unnecessarily stubborn picture.
Personally I think they're a waste of money!
At roughly $2,000+ ea & ya need two, for that price I could stay on any lake around for a couple months!
I fished a 21' Xpress yesterday that has two 12' Talons, they were useless in anything over 10' deep!
Hmm, I've been looking at different shallow water anchoring options and I tend to agree with Catt and Tom on this one. If I had "extra" money, I'm not sure I'd buy either of the high end options. I may buy a stick it pole and bracket and see how much I use it ($150 total). I do fish shallow weedy areas up north but it's not like the wind has blown me around so bad I'm that frustrated. However, the OP did ask which is the best for the money. I'd say a manual system to start and see if you use it often enough to warrant the investment.
On 2/10/2017 at 6:07 AM, FrogFreak said:Hmm, I've been looking at different shallow water anchoring options and I tend to agree with Catt and Tom on this one. If I had "extra" money, I'm not sure I'd buy either of the high end options. I may buy a stick it pole and bracket and see how much I use it ($150 total). I do fish shallow weedy areas up north but it's not like the wind has blown me around so bad I'm that frustrated. However, the OP did ask which is the best for the money. I'd say a manual system to start and see if you use it often enough to warrant the investment.
I can build one for $30 rope included
Since this thread opened over a year ago I have watched bass boats with power poles on the lakes I fish and on TV bass fishing programs, don't see them being used very often. I see anglers drop them on TV to retie or rig up another outfit, to anchor in a cove for lunch and to bed fish during the spawn. Every new tournament bass boat I have seen on the water have dual power poles and 13"+ dual sonar screens, guess they can't be competitive without them.
Tom
On 2/10/2017 at 11:36 AM, WRB said:guess they can't be competitive without them.
Tom
Keeping up with the Jones!
After reading through this thread I find the responses very interesting & somewhat surprising. The level of passion conveyed regarding this subject seems a little disproportionate to me.
As a twin Talon owner, after most of one season use, I can say that for me & my fishing, they are a welcome tool. And just like any tool, a shallow water anchoring system may not be right for everyone or every situation.
I find them a very helpful & effective assistant every time I launch & recover the boat, as I fish solo the vast majority of the time.
I don’t typically bed fish, so this is not a factor for me.
However, during the seasons of spring & fall, when the bass can typically be ‘shallow’, being able to hold position without the trolling motor is a beneficial factor to me. Of course bass can be & are ‘shallow’ off & on all year, so whenever & where ever the opportunity presents itself, the Talon Spikes are down.
I would not try to convince anyone that they need these, or that the expense is ‘worth it’. These are simply my personal observations.
Finally, I still use a conventional anchor to fish deeper water presentations and am quite effective doing so. The Talons are not a replacement for this tried & true method of holding position but a viable option.
YMMV
A-Jay
I agree with A-Jay. they are not for every situation. I just ordered a new boat with one 10' Talon. maybe in the future I'll add another. I also carry an anchor for deeper water. my old boat had a manual one with an 8' pole. it worked, but it got to be a pain to walk to the back to set it up. not too bad if your staying in one spot for a while, but otherwise it's just too much trouble. some people are happy with a 4" graph. tells you everything you need to know, but most of us will go for larger screens. yeah, they are
expensive, but 3500.00 for a 12" graph? it's only worth it if you use it. I really don't know why all the tourney pros have them since I never see them being used.
If nothing else, this thread seems to underscore the fact
that there are 2 distinct type of anglers: Shotgunners & Riflemen.
I place the greatest emphasis on Location, and therefore anchor-down at 'every' holding site,
because I don't want my boat to drift 10 feet off spot. Needless to say, this has absolutely nothing
to do with bed-fishing, but everything to do with bass fishing.
I use a 12-ft Minn Kota Talon, which I'd hesitate to call a shallow-water anchor,
because some of our natural lakes have a maximum depth of 7-feet.
In years gone by, I've done more than my share of hand-lining anchor rode attached to
navy anchors & danforth anchors in ocean depths to 17 fathoms (about 100-ft).
Why would I want to go backwards?
Roger
On 2/11/2017 at 7:31 AM, RoLo said:If nothing else, this thread seems to underscore the fact
that there are 2 distinct type of anglers: Shotgunners & Riflemen.
I place the greatest emphasis on Location, and anchor-down at 'every' holding site,
because I don't want my boat to drift 10 feet off spot.
Needless to say, this has absolutely nothing to do with bed-fishing.
I use a 12-ft Minn Kota Talon, which I'd hesitate to call a shallow-water anchor,
because some of our natural lakes have a maximum depth of 7-feet.
In years gone by, I've done more than my share of hand-lining anchor rode attached to
navy anchors & danforth anchors in ocean depths to 17 fathoms (about 100-ft).
Why would I want to go backwards?
Roger
This brings back memories. I used to tong for quahogs and sea clams many years ago. The "regulars", guys who made their living on the water, used two grapnel anchors. One at the bow, the other for one corner of the stern. They held the boat in a precise position in the current and/or wind. The bow line could be taken in, or let out, and the same of the line at the stern which controlled the "sweep". Without the anchor at the stern, the current and wind could swing the stern like a pendulum.
It's no fun trying to scratch up shellfish with the boat moving around moving away from the spot you are working, or running over it. Tongs work best when operated in a vertical position. Any other angle is not efficient.
When you found a good patch of shellfish, you could work that area thoroughly without missing or wasting time on an area you had tonged clean. You never really tonged an area clean, but you thinned them out enough so it was time to adjust the lines.
We had one advantage. The critters were not free to come and go, though at times I've seen quahogs in clear water on the bottom moving slowly along. They would leave a trail of their movement on the bottom.
Having now used a 12 foot talon for a season, I can say that it was probably not worth getting based on the amount of time I use it versus the cost of buying it and having it professionally installed with a tilt bracket. The new Ultrex has a very precision style GPS head built into it that would get the job done in shallow or deep water and hold my boat on a spot. Had that bow mount been available a year and a half ago it would be on my boat instead of a Maxxum and Talon.
The talon has its uses. I use it when loading and unloading the boat by myself, but then again, rarely do I fish by myself.
For those with smaller, lighter boats, there is also the power pole micro anchor that costs significantly less and claims to hold up to 1500 pounds.
When I fish shallow it's in the marshes of southwest Louisiana which are very seldom over 2-2 1/2' deep.
Weight added by installing a Talon & it's accessories ain't worth it.
Throw down poles are quick, effective, & inexpensive.
On deeper water I use a single anchor & short length of rope. You will be told you need a rope length that is 3 times the depth of water citing Naval manuals. While this is correct for anchoring the USS Enterprise in the Pacific Ocean it ain't for a bass boat.
I anchor an 18' bass boat in 15'+ of water with 25' of rope!
2 things I noticed as I'm in the market too..
talons can be taken off quickly if needed not the power poles. Which both run into a issue for clearance within my garage door.
a friend who has the PPs lowers them and stops right before they touch the ground, backs boat into garage then raises them back up once he's in.
If he had talons he could just take them off back it in. Next day put em back on.
On 2/15/2017 at 4:04 AM, dam0007 said:2 things I noticed as I'm in the market too..
talons can be taken off quickly if needed not the power poles. Which both run into a issue for clearance within my garage door.
a friend who has the PPs lowers them and stops right before they touch the ground, backs boat into garage then raises them back up once he's in.
If he had talons he could just take them off back it in. Next day put em back on.
Talon offers tilt brackets. I have & use them to get in & out of my boat garage as well.
http://www.minnkotamotors.com/Products/TALON-TILT-BRACKET/
A-Jay
I find that my Talon is priceless for how i fish. The waters i fish a lot are the Mississippi and Illinois Rivers. Im usually fishing specific spots in current, a lot of times im tucked behind barges, and barge tie offs with current. Very hard to effectively fish if youre constantly on the trolling motor. I did it for years, and the first time out with the Talon i hated myself for not getting one sooner. I also fish several deep strip pits that my Talon is useless other than docking and what not. I bought my Talon used for $800. You can usually find good deals on used talons or power poles. Power poles seem to be a tad bit more expensive as far as used pricing goes.
On 2/15/2017 at 6:56 AM, A-Jay said:
Talon offers tilt brackets. I have & use them to get in & out of my boat garage as well.
http://www.minnkotamotors.com/Products/TALON-TILT-BRACKET/
A-Jay
Awesome!
I use a disk weight ?
If the Power Poles or Talons are too expensive there's always manual options like these
http://www.alienlabsusa.com/product/bottom-buster-shallow-water-anchor-system/
Tacklewarehouse will price match any valid company in the US. Big Water Marine had the 12' Talon for $1599. I took advantage of their 10% off all gift cards (tacklewarehouse) over the holidays and ended up getting a new Talon for $1440 shipped. Right now Big Water Marine has the best prices on tons of boating accessories.
It is not uncommon to find anchors. I usually keep what I find or take it back to the boat ramp.
I don't have Talons or Power poles on my old tin boat. I do fish regularly on a boat with 2 Talons. While I have great respect for the old guys (being an old guy myself) who do just fine without them, I have absolutely no doubt that we catch more fish using them than we can without them.
Whether fishing deep clear water reservoirs or shallow bayous the time savings alone is worth having them IMO. For most of the rest of is who fish a variety of conditions they are simply an effective tool. Are they worth the money? That is a personal choice. Do they increase the effectiveness of a good fisherman who knows how to use them? I think with rare exception, the answer is yes.
Any inovation will always meet resistance from old guys like me. Now get off my lawn!
EDIT: For the record I do not sight fish bedding fish.
Since I'm cheap I'm thinking of doing something like this:
On 2/18/2017 at 4:40 AM, CrawfishKiller said:Since I'm cheap I'm thinking of doing something like this:
Two words ~ Back Plate.
A-Jay
On 2/18/2017 at 4:41 AM, A-Jay said:
Two words ~ Back Plate.
A-Jay
Ya think?
On 2/11/2017 at 8:34 PM, Catt said:When I fish shallow it's in the marshes of southwest Louisiana which are very seldom over 2-2 1/2' deep.
Weight added by installing a Talon & it's accessories ain't worth it.
Throw down poles are quick, effective, & inexpensive.
While Powerpoles may be almost useless on Toledo Bend, with respect to the marsh and swamp, I totally disagree. As someone that spends 99% of his time fishing the marshes and swamps of South Louisiana, whose last boat had a stick anchor, and new boat has a Powerpole, there is absolutely no way I'd go back to no having one. The ease of hitting the button on the remote around my neck while the wind or current is trying to blow me across the marsh when me or my fishing partner has a fish or wants to pick apart a specific spot is WELL worth the price of the Powerpole. You just simply aren't going to use a stick anchor to sit in a spot for 3 minutes to get multiple casts in. You'll hit it with a couple casts and move on past. The ability to stick the anchor in and pivot around it in the current or wind is amazing in allowing both anglers an equal opportunity to fish spots as well.
Move a little, anchor for a minute, move a little, anchor for a minute. I'm tired just thinking about doing that without the Powerpole.
@Marshfly
I restricted to either a 40 HP or a 25 HP
On 2/19/2017 at 9:31 AM, Catt said:@Marshfly
I restricted to either a 40 HP or a 25 HP
I read that he was putting it on an 18ft Laser. He didn't say a specific budget either. haha.
On 2/19/2017 at 10:33 AM, Marshfly said:
I read that he was putting it on an 18ft Laser. He didn't say a specific budget either. haha.
I see 14-16' Jon boats running around with Power Poles, I just can't justify the cost...yet!
On 2/19/2017 at 10:49 AM, Catt said:
I see 14-16' Jon boats running around with Power Poles, I just can't justify the cost...yet!
Tom, best to hold that 'Yet' until Powerpole turns into a '12-ft Talon' (The Big-T here we come)
I just can't get over how ugly the Talons are. They look 3 or 4 times the diameter of my Blade. Also, the saltwater guys won't touch a Talon. They just don't hold up like the Powerpoles do. All of our south Louisiana guides run Powerpoles.
On 2/19/2017 at 10:57 PM, Marshfly said:I just can't get over how ugly the Talons are. They look 3 or 4 times the diameter of my Blade. Also, the saltwater guys won't touch a Talon. They just don't hold up like the Powerpoles do. All of our south Louisiana guides run Powerpoles.
Being a Talon user & abuser, and even though my bass fishing is & will always be a sweet water deal, I'll admit to banking on the over 80 years of industry leading trolling motor design, testing and know-how built into every Talon to fully combat the corrosive effects of saltwater.
As far as tool use vs aesthetics are concerned, can't ever remember not using one because of how it looked - "That is the ugliest hammer ever".
A-Jay