Hey everyone, I'm looking for some suggestions and would appreciate yalls input.
I've scrapped my previous post as I've narrowed a few things down. Right now, I'm mainly looking for a solid/stable sit on fishing kayak that I can stand on comfortably, including being able to fight a fish while standing up - I'm focused on the Feel Free Lure 10, which seems to be at a decent price for a quality fishing kayak that seems to be one of the widest you can get with a great seat included. I considered the Old Towne Predator, but that is 33.5 inches wide vs 36 inches on the FFL. I don't plan on kayaking very long distances, just in lower Potomac river creeks mainly (one creek at a time) and maybe some upper Potomac creeks every now and then. I also looked at the Diablo Amigo, at 38 inches wide, and similarly priced to the FFL, but with no seat included. The Diablo looks pretty plain compared to the FFL as well. Do you all think the FFL 10 is the best fishing kayak for standing at right under $1000?
I'm also considering the FFL 11.5 as it seems have some more options and more space for comfort - I'll be out on the water for at least a few hours at a time, maybe 4-6 if I have time for it.
Side note, I considered the Jackson big rig, but the price, weight, and length have me strongly leaning toward the FFL 10 (or 11.5 now). What do you all think? I'm 5'7" and ~140 lbs.
Also, what would be the best way to transport a 10-12 ft kayak on a coupe (2011 scion tc)? I use foam blocks and straps for my current kayak, a perception acadia 12, but would prefer something more stable for my new rig. Any suggestions are appreciated!
OK, in case anyone is interested, based on reviews and specs to my liking, I am pretty sure I am going with the Feel Free Lure 11.5. I think the extra length will help with tracking/speed and comfort (although, it should be noted that leg room is the same in the 10ft and 11.5ft models). You can upgrade the 11.5 (and 13.5) model to use a pedal drive kit, where the 10ft model cannot. The 11.5 also comes with a sonar/electronics pod for easy mounting, where the 10ft model does not. All in all, this model seems more future proof and worth the extra investment, as I plan to be using this kayak for a while. ACK has a special where you can buy a package deal of a kayak, paddle, and lifevest, and receive 10% off the entire order (comes out to around $150 dollars off the whole package)...that essentially brings the paddle and life-vest to 75% off (so you can view the paddle as free and a $100 life vest as 50% off). I'm ready to pull the trigger on this one, just gonna wait a day or so and look through some more reviews and such before making my final decision. There is nowhere near me to try it out, but I've read enough reviews and seen enough videos to be content with my decision (I know trying it out is the best way to go for such a big investment, but not feasible for me - plus at this price range, I can't find anything that compares in terms of features and stability).
On 3/12/2018 at 5:07 AM, Riazuli said:OK, in case anyone is interested, based on reviews and specs to my liking, I am pretty sure I am going with the Feel Free Lure 11.5. I think the extra length will help with tracking/speed and comfort (although, it should be noted that leg room is the same in the 10ft and 11.5ft models). You can upgrade the 11.5 (and 13.5) model to use a pedal drive kit, where the 10ft model cannot. The 11.5 also comes with a sonar/electronics pod for easy mounting, where the 10ft model does not. All in all, this model seems more future proof and worth the extra investment, as I plan to be using this kayak for a while. ACK has a special where you can buy a package deal of a kayak, paddle, and lifevest, and receive 10% off the entire order (comes out to around $150 dollars off the whole package)...that essentially brings the paddle and life-vest to 75% off (so you can view the paddle as free and a $100 life vest as 50% off). I'm ready to pull the trigger on this one, just gonna wait a day or so and look through some more reviews and such before making my final decision. There is nowhere near me to try it out, but I've read enough reviews and seen enough videos to be content with my decision (I know trying it out is the best way to go for such a big investment, but not feasible for me - plus at this price range, I can't find anything that compares in terms of features and stability).
I've had my Lure 11.5 for about a year now and I think you'll be happy with that choice. The good thing about the Lure is that if you have never owned a true fishing kayak before then you won't really notice the "shortcomings" that the Lure's have seeing how you have nothing to compare it to.
Best to understand what you are getting. First off these things are tanks, they are heavy and they are slow so be aware of that if you are going to be traveling large bodies of water or long distances or strong currents. If your ever go kayak fishing with your buddies then there's a good chance that whatever they have will be faster than you. My buddy in his ocean kayak was literally paddling backwards faster than I was going forward and paddled the entire mile or so to our fishing spot mocking me while staring directly at me LOL. But revenge came later on while I was standing up pulling in a Lady Fish and I heard a loud splash and saw my buddy in the drink cussing up a storm because he reached backwards to grab a beer and tipped over LOL.
The trade off with the Lures is that you can stand up. The Lures are stable, you will fall out of it before you tip it over. I had never owned a kayak before and within about 10 mins of my first time out I felt comfortable enough to stand up and by the end of the first day I was able to turn completely around and grab things from the back of the kayak while standing. Nowadays I spend half of my time standing up and paddling around like a paddle board. I'm the same height as you are but a bit heavier so I'm sure you will have no issues at all with your size.
The seat is very comfortable and I've spent 12 hours at a time sitting on it with no back issues and if you ever want to stretch out just stand on up. I'd recommend practicing with the seat height adjustment mechanism a few times while on land first to get the hang of it, it can be tricky the first few times.
The cupholders on the sides are worthless so don't put your beer in there unless you want a crushed can. Best to just sit your drinks in front of you on the standing platform, there's plenty of room. The front storage compartment extend all the way to the back of the kayak so you can fit your fishing rods in there. Be careful with that though because the compartment is tight and I've managed to snap a rod tip trying to get my 6'6 out of there one time. My smaller panfish rods fit perfectly though.
The rudder kit will put you over budget I'm sure but I'd recommend one in the future. After your first few outings you will see what I mean. The Lure is a 100% fishing kayak and it doesn't track very well. The wind is also your worst enemy and you will get turned around fairly easily due to the high profile of the boat. If you fish rivers with any sort of current then you'll spend most of your time with paddle in hand trying to keep the thing pointed in the right direction instead of fishing. Put on calm days or ponds it's no big issue.
I wouldn't rely on the wheel in the keel to transport it very far. It's a single wheel and trying to roll it on that wheel will cause the kayak to tip to one side more often than not. If you have decent upper body strength you can stabilize it and roll it but a kayak cart makes it much easier. You "can" take your gear out and overhead carry it if you're strong enough but it's a heavy beast so be aware of that.
The accessory rails are neat and I'm sure during your research you've seen folks with all sorts of attachments on there. The adapters are expensive though like 30 bucks a pop but there are plenty of folks who make their own with good results.
Thats all I can think of right now. I'm very happy with mine and I'm never in any sort of hurry while fishing so the slower speed is easily made up for by the fact that I can literally jump up and down in the thing without it tipping over on me. Plenty of storage space and plenty of ways to customize it.
Let me know if you would like any more info before you pull the trigger.
John
On 3/12/2018 at 6:00 AM, ApacheGuns515 said:I've had my Lure 11.5 for about a year now and I think you'll be happy with that choice. The good thing about the Lure is that if you have never owned a true fishing kayak before then you won't really notice the "shortcomings" that the Lure's have seeing how you have nothing to compare it to.
Best to understand what you are getting. First off these things are tanks, they are heavy and they are slow so be aware of that if you are going to be traveling large bodies of water or long distances or strong currents. If your ever go kayak fishing with your buddies then there's a good chance that whatever they have will be faster than you. My buddy in his ocean kayak was literally paddling backwards faster than I was going forward and paddled the entire mile or so to our fishing spot mocking me while staring directly at me LOL. But revenge came later on while I was standing up pulling in a Lady Fish and I heard a loud splash and saw my buddy in the drink cussing up a storm because he reached backwards to grab a beer and tipped over LOL.
The trade off with the Lures is that you can stand up. The Lures are stable, you will fall out of it before you tip it over. I had never owned a kayak before and within about 10 mins of my first time out I felt comfortable enough to stand up and by the end of the first day I was able to turn completely around and grab things from the back of the kayak while standing. Nowadays I spend half of my time standing up and paddling around like a paddle board. I'm the same height as you are but a bit heavier so I'm sure you will have no issues at all with your size.
The seat is very comfortable and I've spent 12 hours at a time sitting on it with no back issues and if you ever want to stretch out just stand on up. I'd recommend practicing with the seat height adjustment mechanism a few times while on land first to get the hang of it, it can be tricky the first few times.
The cupholders on the sides are worthless so don't put your beer in there unless you want a crushed can. Best to just sit your drinks in front of you on the standing platform, there's plenty of room. The front storage compartment extend all the way to the back of the kayak so you can fit your fishing rods in there. Be careful with that though because the compartment is tight and I've managed to snap a rod tip trying to get my 6'6 out of there one time. My smaller panfish rods fit perfectly though.
The rudder kit will put you over budget I'm sure but I'd recommend one in the future. After your first few outings you will see what I mean. The Lure is a 100% fishing kayak and it doesn't track very well. The wind is also your worst enemy and you will get turned around fairly easily due to the high profile of the boat. If you fish rivers with any sort of current then you'll spend most of your time with paddle in hand trying to keep the thing pointed in the right direction instead of fishing. Put on calm days or ponds it's no big issue.
I wouldn't rely on the wheel in the keel to transport it very far. It's a single wheel and trying to roll it on that wheel will cause the kayak to tip to one side more often than not. If you have decent upper body strength you can stabilize it and roll it but a kayak cart makes it much easier. You "can" take your gear out and overhead carry it if you're strong enough but it's a heavy beast so be aware of that.
The accessory rails are neat and I'm sure during your research you've seen folks with all sorts of attachments on there. The adapters are expensive though like 30 bucks a pop but there are plenty of folks who make their own with good results.
Thats all I can think of right now. I'm very happy with mine and I'm never in any sort of hurry while fishing so the slower speed is easily made up for by the fact that I can literally jump up and down in the thing without it tipping over on me. Plenty of storage space and plenty of ways to customize it.
Let me know if you would like any more info before you pull the trigger.
John
Thanks a lot for your in depth review!! That is very helpful and definitely adding to my confidence in purchasing. I do have a decent idea of what I'm getting into (again just based on reviews) as far as it being slower and not tracking as well - I do have a 12 foot perception acadia, so if I'm looking for pure kayaking, I can always use that, but I'm going for the FFL 11.5 for fishing and fishing only, so I'm prepared for the trade offs. I'm also not planning on doing long distance kayaking or dealing with rapid currents, and I generally try to go out on calmer days as it is, so I think this should work out just fine for me. I'm really looking forward to purchasing this package, and am pretty confident I am going with it, but just don't want to complete the order just yet, as I've only decided to go with the package today. I figure for something like this, it's best to wait a little bit and check out more reviews before pulling the trigger. I've mainly read good reviews, but I did come across some reviews from 2010 that had a few complaints of the hull material being light and getting damaged when being dragged - I don't plan to drag it, so I don't see that as an issue. Also, I am wondering if that was maybe just a problem with the older models. I am going to look into that aspect some more before finalizing. I am really excited to be able to stand on this thing and just have more freedom with casting even while sitting, as I was pretty restricted in my sit in kayak (but still had a blast on that while fishing, so I can't wait to see what this extra freedom is like!).
On 3/12/2018 at 6:11 AM, Riazuli said:Thanks a lot for your in depth review!! That is very helpful and definitely adding to my confidence in purchasing. I do have a decent idea of what I'm getting into (again just based on reviews) as far as it being slower and not tracking as well - I do have a 12 foot perception acadia, so if I'm looking for pure kayaking, I can always use that, but I'm going for the FFL 11.5 for fishing and fishing only, so I'm prepared for the trade offs. I'm also not planning on doing long distance kayaking or dealing with rapid currents, and I generally try to go out on calmer days as it is, so I think this should work out just fine for me. I'm really looking forward to purchasing this package, and am pretty confident I am going with it, but just don't want to complete the order just yet, as I've only decided to go with the package today. I figure for something like this, it's best to wait a little bit and check out more reviews before pulling the trigger. I've mainly read good reviews, but I did come across some reviews from 2010 that had a few complaints of the hull material being light and getting damaged when being dragged - I don't plan to drag it, so I don't see that as an issue. Also, I am wondering if that was maybe just a problem with the older models. I am going to look into that aspect some more before finalizing. I am really excited to be able to stand on this thing and just have more freedom with casting even while sitting, as I was pretty restricted in my sit in kayak (but still had a blast on that while fishing, so I can't wait to see what this extra freedom is like!).
I don't know if the quality issues were from the older models or not. I have a 2016 model I believe and I can tell you that I put that bad boy through the ringer when I first got it. Multiple drops from the back of my truck bed, dragging on rocks and gravel, getting stuck on stumps and rocks in the river, etc. Trials and tribulations of a new kayak owner who had no idea what I was doing lol.
No holes or leaks so far. These Lures feel like they are built like tanks, either that or I have been extremely lucky to not punch a hole or 2 in mine after all of the abuse I caused it early on.
On 3/12/2018 at 8:03 AM, ApacheGuns515 said:I don't know if the quality issues were from the older models or not. I have a 2016 model I believe and I can tell you that I put that bad boy through the ringer when I first got it. Multiple drops from the back of my truck bed, dragging on rocks and gravel, getting stuck on stumps and rocks in the river, etc. Trials and tribulations of a new kayak owner who had no idea what I was doing lol.
No holes or leaks so far. These Lures feel like they are built like tanks, either that or I have been extremely lucky to not punch a hole or 2 in mine after all of the abuse I caused it early on.
Thank you! That definitely makes me feel a little better. I'm going to purchase this package soon, just considering what additional accessories I might want - any suggestions? I'm not going for the rudder for now, but might consider it later if the tracking seems too bad.
Also, I sent you a pm with a couple of questions!
I bought a FeelFree Lure 11.5 in 2015 and use it much more than my Ascend 128T. Like other members it's been through some drops and scrapes and is holding up great.
What I like most about it (in no particular order):
Whether it's the BEST SOT kayak, you'll have to figure that out for yourself. Of my fleet, it's my favorite.
I paddled a Lure 10 when shopping. I found it too small for me @ 6'1" 190 lbs. It felt skitterish.
My advice is paddle as many different brands as you can, or at least see them in person. Make a list of what you want on your yak.
Best of luck!
ADD: I recently added a rudder to my 11.5. It tracks much better now and stays where I point it when drifting with current. If it's in your budget, add it.
On 3/12/2018 at 8:12 AM, DogBone_384 said:I bought a FeelFree Lure 11.5 in 2015 and use it much more than my Ascend 128T. Like other members it's been through some drops and scrapes and is holding up great.
What I like most about it (in no particular order):
- Stable, stable, stable.
- The couple times I've dealt with their customer service it's been great.Very comfortable seat.
- All day comfortable seat.
- Light enough that I can lift it on my Tundra's ladder rack at the end of a full day fishing.
- Good rail placement - it's easy to rig the way you want.
Whether it's the BEST SOT kayak, you'll have to figure that out for yourself. Of my fleet, it's my favorite.
My advice is paddle as many different brands as you can, or at least see them in person. Make a list of what you want on your yak.
Best of luck!
Thanks a bunch! That is very helpful info and adding more to my confidence in purchasing...it may happen tonight, but more likely tomorrow after I confirm some things from customer service (mainly on paddle length, which I am pretty sure about but would like to be a little more sure rather than having to possibly change things later).
-I've got a crate with 2 triple rod holders that I may just install one on.
-ordering a yak gear adapter to attach a yak gear rod holder to add a convenient mount in front of me.
-waiting on rudder to see how I fare without one first
-buying pair of scupper plugs to make 8 total if it comes with 6 as I've seen elsewhere - can you confirm if it comes with 6 scupper plugs or not?
-do you have any suggestions for mounting a phone? I have a deeper fish finder which I'm mounting to the side to use as my sonar. Would the sonar pod work fine for that and does it require any additional accessories?
My 11.5 came with scupper plugs. I never use them.
I have Scotty rod holders on FeelFree accessory mounts.
I wired a Lowrance Hook5 to my kayak using a scupper hole for the transducer and one of FeelFree's mounts & RAM mount for the control head. I might suggest one of their accessory mounts with a RAM mount X-Grip holder. I have an X-Grip on my motorcycle and it's kept my phone in place at high speed.
I'll try to dig up some photos of it rigged up and post them. They might be around this forum somewhere if you search "FeelFree" or "transducer mount"
Thank you! I am going to wait on customer service and ask them their thoughts on the phone mount as well.
Edit: I see now that the sonar pod allows you to attach mounts to it rather than the kayak. I think I'll look to add a ram mount as you suggested to the sonar pod.
I am a feel free owner. I did test paddle the lure but I am an owner of the 2016 12.5 Feelfree Moken. It’s only 34 inches wide compared to the lure being 36 and it tracks 100 percent true, and the lure will drift to the left or right at times. The lure is the most stable kayak I have ever paddles but the size and sluggishness of it wasnt well suited for me. The moken is also cheaper and was able to make better upgrades such as a nicer paddle and new life vest with extra money. The customer service is the best I have ever dealt with feel free company. The few times I have contacted them for smaller replacement parts they ship that day and send them to me at no charge.
On 3/12/2018 at 5:18 PM, Dan C said:I am a feel free owner. I did test paddle the lure but I am an owner of the 2016 12.5 Feelfree Moken. It’s only 34 inches wide compared to the lure being 36 and it tracks 100 percent true, and the lure will drift to the left or right at times. The lure is the most stable kayak I have ever paddles but the size and sluggishness of it wasnt well suited for me. The moken is also cheaper and was able to make better upgrades such as a nicer paddle and new life vest with extra money. The customer service is the best I have ever dealt with feel free company. The few times I have contacted them for smaller replacement parts they ship that day and send them to me at no charge.
Thought I had responded to this earlier - I had considered the Moken but ultimately went with the Lure due to it having greater stability and standing ability. I went with the 11.5, which tracks better than the 10, and if it gets too bad I'll look into the rudder system for it. For more "pure" kayaking, I'll likely consider my sit-in kayak and maybe limit my fishing. I won't be kayaking terribly long distances for fishing, and generally plan to go when it's calmer out, so I think the Lure will suit my needs well. That's great to know about the customer service, as I plan to enjoy this investment for a while, which of course involves ongoing maintenance. Looking forward to riding the new rig!
On 3/11/2018 at 12:56 PM, Riazuli said:Right now, I'm mainly looking for a solid/stable sit in fishing kayak that I can stand on comfortably, including being able to fight a fish while standing up
Just to make sure - do you mean sit in or sit on? I don't know of any sit in yaks that are stable enough for standing. I think the Lure Feel Free yaks are sit on. I definitely recommend sit on for yak fishing over sit in.
On 3/14/2018 at 3:07 AM, haggard said:Just to make sure - do you mean sit in or sit on? I don't know of any sit in yaks that are stable enough for standing. I think the Lure Feel Free yaks are sit on. I definitely recommend sit on for yak fishing over sit in.
Ditto, I can stand in my sit-in if I want...only because I have outriggers. And I consider mine fairly stable as far as sit-ins go.
On 3/14/2018 at 3:07 AM, haggard said:Just to make sure - do you mean sit in or sit on? I don't know of any sit in yaks that are stable enough for standing. I think the Lure Feel Free yaks are sit on. I definitely recommend sit on for yak fishing over sit in.
Sorry for the confusion - that was a typo in my original post. I meant to say sit-on there. I currently have a sit-in kayak.
On 3/14/2018 at 5:11 AM, MassYak85 said:Ditto, I can stand in my sit-in if I want...only because I have outriggers. And I consider mine fairly stable as far as sit-ins go.
I went ahead and ordered a Feel Free Lure 11.5 - it seems to be the best option in terms of price and what it has to offer (standing was a key factor for me). People have claimed to do jumping jacks on this without issue and the following video shows some pretty impressive maneuvering while standing:
Seems like a nice yak! But that is a sit-on.
On 3/14/2018 at 6:24 AM, MassYak85 said:Seems like a nice yak! But that is a sit-on.
Ah, I see the confusion now - that was a typo
I currently have a sit-in, which has been good to me, but I know it is definitely limiting for fishing. The first thing that got me thinking about a new fishing kayak that was sit-on was the ability to comfortable and securely take all of my setups and tackle/gear. The thought of putting a crate with 4-5 rods on my sit-in that had a curved back and just bungee cords was not comforting. I knew with all sit-ons vs sit-ins that freedom of casting would be a big difference so of course that was my next thought and just goes hand in hand with a sit-on. Then came the stability and ability to stand. All of that ended with me going with the Lure!
On 3/14/2018 at 5:34 AM, Riazuli said:I went ahead and ordered a Feel Free Lure 11.5 - it seems to be the best option in terms of price and what it has to offer (standing was a key factor for me).
Congrats - that's a great quality yak and the higher price compared to some yaks seems to be put towards important features (built-in wheel, comfortable seating, stability). I came very close to buying the same one. I always had a hard time choosing between 10 (maneuverability) and 12 (tracking) so the 11.5 should be good middle ground. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
On 3/15/2018 at 6:23 AM, haggard said:Congrats - that's a great quality yak and the higher price compared to some yaks seems to be put towards important features (built-in wheel, comfortable seating, stability). I came very close to buying the same one. I always had a hard time choosing between 10 (maneuverability) and 12 (tracking) so the 11.5 should be good middle ground. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
Thank you! I felt it was a good middle ground too - I prefer having added stability over maneuverability as I'm not kayaking very long distances and my main factor was standing and general space/comfort. Can't wait to take it out when it gets here!
I just bought a NuCanoe Flint. Fantastic boat for $999! It is super stable, and it paddles just as good as most other kayaks out there. The deck is wide open and flat. Lots of space for gear, or just to stand and fish comfortably. You can literally walk around on this kayak and it won't tip. The seat is very comfortable. And NuCanoe has a specialized cart which fits through a factory made hole in the transom. You can very quickly and easily fashion a little piece of wood, or plastic, etc to the transom to allow you to leave your cart in the hole while holding your wheels up out of the water. NuCanoes are also known to handle river runs very well. My favorite thing about this boat is that it is under 70lbs. It's so light, and so easy to load/unload, and drag in and out of the water.
On 3/17/2018 at 4:47 AM, IgotWood said:I just bought a NuCanoe Flint. Fantastic boat for $999! It is super stable, and it paddles just as good as most other kayaks out there. The deck is wide open and flat. Lots of space for gear, or just to stand and fish comfortably. You can literally walk around on this kayak and it won't tip. The seat is very comfortable. And NuCanoe has a specialized cart which fits through a factory made hole in the transom. You can very quickly and easily fashion a little piece of wood, or plastic, etc to the transom to allow you to leave your cart in the hole while holding your wheels up out of the water. NuCanoes are also known to handle river runs very well. My favorite thing about this boat is that it is under 70lbs. It's so light, and so easy to load/unload, and drag in and out of the water.
Looks like a nice, straight to the point rig. I like how it has more deck space than a lot of kayaks by removing the front dry storage. I'm happy to have chosen the Feel free lure 11.5 for it's added stability, chair, and other features, but that nucanoe definitely has it's pluses. Glad you're happy with it!
On 3/17/2018 at 12:58 PM, Riazuli said:Looks like a nice, straight to the point rig. I like how it has more deck space than a lot of kayaks by removing the front dry storage. I'm happy to have chosen the Feel free lure 11.5 for it's added stability, chair, and other features, but that nucanoe definitely has it's pluses. Glad you're happy with it!
Oh man...I didn't read every post in this thread. I didn't realize you had already bought something. Lol! Glad you're happy with your choice! I have never heard a bad thing about the Lure. I may see you on one of the rivers pretty soon. I'm dying to get up there this spring. Cheers!
On 3/17/2018 at 6:49 PM, IgotWood said:Oh man...I didn't read every post in this thread. I didn't realize you had already bought something. Lol! Glad you're happy with your choice! I have never heard a bad thing about the Lure. I may see you on one of the rivers pretty soon. I'm dying to get up there this spring. Cheers!
Me too, can't wait to get on the water again! Good luck out there
Congrats on your choice. Good one.
I balk at "best" threads a little because "best" is a
very subjective thing when it comes to kayaks. There
are so many variables at work including body size,
balance, weight (yak and human), types of water,
scuppers or not, and so many more.
That's why many of us recommend demo days and if
those can't be done, at least a dry sit in at the store,
which is what I did.
Clearly you did your research and I think you'll be
very happy. So "best" of luck to you
On 3/17/2018 at 9:22 PM, Darren. said:Congrats on your choice. Good one.
I balk at "best" threads a little because "best" is a
very subjective thing when it comes to kayaks. There
are so many variables at work including body size,
balance, weight (yak and human), types of water,
scuppers or not, and so many more.
That's why many of us recommend demo days and if
those can't be done, at least a dry sit in at the store,
which is what I did.
Clearly you did your research and I think you'll be
very happy. So "best" of luck to you
You're right, it would definitely vary by individual. I figured by making a post like this I could at least get people's ideas on what they thought was the best to help me narrow down my choices. I'm very happy with my decision, and although I had some mixed feelings about choosing this over the bonafide ss127, I am glad I went with the Feel free as it has more deck space with it being wider. I ordered the rudder already so the tracking complaint is a non-issue at this point for me.