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fishing user avatarjim payne reply : 

Retrotec Inc.

Pro Staff for Stayncharge Products

Retrotec Inc. (Retrotec), the makers of Stayncharge products, is ready to reach the top of the market and we think we have the idea and momentum to move forward. To do this we need your help and are looking for anglers who are committed to working with us to achieve our finest goal.

Our goal for the start of the 2008 season is to have 100 pro staffers around the world. We have started a new program that is unlike any other in the fishing community. The program is not just for the top pro fishing anglers - of which we have many using our product - it is for the weekend angler as well. The program will put the profits where they belong in your pocket.

We are looking for 60 to 70 additional anglers to round off our program.

If you are interested in becoming a new member of the Stayncharge family,

Take the opportunity to contact us at stayncharge@msn.com

We look forward to having you join our team!

Jim Payne

President


fishing user avatarLow_Budget_Hooker reply : 

Jim,

Please define your pro staff program.  We have had issues with these types of offers on the board before.  Please explain the parameters of your program before we go any further.

Requirements, expectations, time frames, etc.

THanks


fishing user avatarjim payne reply : 

Here it is in a nut shell. About two years ago I stopped doing business with Cabela's and Gander and now we are only going to promote our peoducts through our pro staff. The deal is built around letting the angler(pro staff) make the same profit as the big stores did. If there are any more questions you will find out I am always available. Thanks Jim Payne

Retrotec Pro Staff

Welcome to Retrotec Inc.'s elite Pro Staff!

Retrotec Inc. is the manufacturer of the Stayncharge Battery Charging systems.

As a member of the Retrotec Pro Staff, you will be representing the Stayncharge  

Battery charging products.

All Pro Staff members must meet the following requirements:

1.  At all times the Pro Staff must represent Retrotec, Inc. in a professional and sportsmanlike manner.  

2.  Pro Staff member must be using the product to maintain Pro Staff status.

3.  Pro Staff member must be familiar with the Stayncharge system(s) and how they work.

4.  All Pro Staff members must be active competitors in tournament fishing, guiding or in an active role to promote the product to the angler community.

5.  Pro Staff member will appropriately advertise the Stayncharge products, i.e. boats and shirts.

6.  Pro Staff member must be familiar with Retrotec pricing guidelines and never sell product for less than retail pricing.

7.  Pro Staff member will be responsible for servicing of their customer base.

8.  Offer suggestions on product improvements as found through system usage experience.

9.  Pro Staff member will work with the Pro Staff Director regarding the Pro Staff requirements and process.  The Pro Staff Director will be your first line of communication.

10.  Acknowledge by signature your agreement to the terms as noted below.

Retrotec, Inc. will:

1.  Provide appropriate sales and technical assistance as needed.

2.  Provide current pricing guidelines.

3.  Maintain all sales and shipping documentation.

4. Take care of any and all product service or replacements.

Ordering Process:

1   As a Retrotec Pro Staff member you may purchase product at our Wholesale price to be sold at or above retail pricing.  All orders will be paid in advance and must allow 5-7 days for shipping.  

2.  Shipping is not included in the price.   Sales tax will be applied as appropriate.

3.  A 7% commission will be paid on any orders received from retail stores where you have set up and managed the account.

This is a team effort between you and Retrotec.  We are a small family business and want to build relationships and not just business deals. We are growing at a very fast pace and welcome you to grow with us.

Please read, complete requested information and sign below:

I agree to represent Retrotec, Inc. and its Corporate Officers, manufacture representatives, dealers and customers in a professional and sportsmanlike manner.  I understand that if I am found to have misrepresented Retrotec, Inc. and their products in any manner or am not fulfilling the requirements as outlined that my position as a Retrotec Pro Staff may be terminated with no obligation for future compensation.  

I agree to grant Retrotec, Inc. the unconditional right to use my name, photo, likeness, biography, contact information and testimonials on the Retrotec, Inc. website.  

This agreement does not establish an employer employee relationship between Retrotec, Inc. and me.  

__________________________                  __________________________

Pro Staff Member Print Name                    Pro Staff Member Signature

__________________________                  __________________________

Date of Signature                              Retrotec Approval Signature

Information to be provided: (all information may be posted on the Retrotec website unless notified in writing not to do so):

Name:

Address:

Contact Numbers:            Home:____________________

                                          Cell:______________________

Email address:

Please mail completed form to:

Retrotec, Inc.

244 county rd. 42

Apple Valley, MN 55124


fishing user avatarLow_Budget_Hooker reply : 

So there are no minimum sales requirements or buy ins?

Just promote the product and each time you have someone else who wants a product, we place the order through you (or the director)?  Pretty much a referral for a commission?


fishing user avatarjim payne reply : 

Pretty much something like that only we are going to carry it much farther then that. Our pro staff are going to be able to make alot more money for themselves then by just getting discounts on products. They are going to be able to help us bring alot of other products to market for other companies like ours. It is a win win for us both. If I need to bring more  info for anyone please contact me. Thanks and From my family to all of yours have a great weekend and be safe.


fishing user avatarGeorge Welcome reply : 

Sounds pyramidal to me - If I am reading this correct, I buy the product, you've made your sale, then I can make my sale. I have to buy the product for myself to use: another sale for you. I have to set up my shirts and such to advertise for you - I don't see any mention of compensation for that.

I hate to say it, but it sounds more like you are looking for a 100 sales up front rather than anything else.


fishing user avatarLow_Budget_Hooker reply : 

These are my concerns exactly.


fishing user avatarjim payne reply : 

That is always the norm for boards for people to automatically think the worst and that is fine. We have been in business for almost nine years now and are pretty well known around alot of the circuits like the WBT and the Elite series and if a company can make a living on 100 products sold then more power to them. As I stated before the Pro Staff deal is set up to put the profits in the hands of the anglers were it belongs instead of the bigger stores. If you will research our company you will find out we give alot to the industry and our customers. We also give our retail buyers as well as our small business owner a 90 day money back guarantee so if it doesn't work for anyone there is no risk except for my families risk. I hope that helps and remember the worst thing that can happen to an angler doing business with us is that there batteries are always going to be charged up. If this offer is scaring anyone please just remove it. Thanks and have a great day.


fishing user avatarjim payne reply : 
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Sounds pyramidal to me - If I am reading this correct, I buy the product, you've made your sale, then I can make my sale. I have to buy the product for myself to use: another sale for you. I have to set up my shirts and such to advertise for you - I don't see any mention of compensation for that.

I hate to say it, but it sounds more like you are looking for a 100 sales up front rather than anything else.

Most anglers I see do what your saying to promote there sponsors now, the only differance in the thing I am trying to do is let the staffers actually make money for what they do. pyramidal???????? Most sponsors only give anglers a discount on there product and then they want them to do shows and all kinds of other stuff. I have not seen any sponsors out there that really let ther staffers make money.


fishing user avatarmayassa reply : 
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Sounds pyramidal to me - If I am reading this correct, I buy the product, you've made your sale, then I can make my sale. I have to buy the product for myself to use: another sale for you. I have to set up my shirts and such to advertise for you - I don't see any mention of compensation for that.

I hate to say it, but it sounds more like you are looking for a 100 sales up front rather than anything else.

Most anglers I see do what your saying to promote there sponsors now, the only differance in the thing I am trying to do is let the staffers actually make money for what they do. pyramidal???????? Most sponsors only give anglers a discount on there product and then they want them to do shows and all kinds of other stuff. I have not seen any sponsors out there that really let ther staffers make money.

It does sound like the old pyramid selling method when I first read it (just short walls), but you are right most sponsors only give you a small discount.  


fishing user avatarLow_Budget_Hooker reply : 
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Sounds pyramidal to me - If I am reading this correct, I buy the product, you've made your sale, then I can make my sale. I have to buy the product for myself to use: another sale for you. I have to set up my shirts and such to advertise for you - I don't see any mention of compensation for that.

I hate to say it, but it sounds more like you are looking for a 100 sales up front rather than anything else.

Most anglers I see do what your saying to promote there sponsors now, the only differance in the thing I am trying to do is let the staffers actually make money for what they do. pyramidal???????? Most sponsors only give anglers a discount on there product and then they want them to do shows and all kinds of other stuff. I have not seen any sponsors out there that really let ther staffers make money.

It does sound like the old pyramid selling method when I first read it (just short walls), but you are right most sponsors only give you a small discount.  

To me, those aren't sponsors, just salesmen offering you a "sale".  Granted, if it is something you were going to buy anyway, a 15% discount helps but.....sponsored?  Not.


fishing user avatarjim payne reply : 

Here is what we are also doing with our Staffers(salesmen). We offer to them just like we do everyone else as well as dealers, If after 90 days they do not want the units and or they do not want to be on our staff any longer we will buy the units back with no problems. We have been in business for almost nine years now and we have tried our hardest at making a good name for us and a product that is a benefit to all. In nine years I have never bought back one unit. We are the only company I know of that gives dealers 90 day money back guarantee. The anglers I have met over the years are really great people with dreams just like I have and very few ever make it to there dream place. Just like anything in this business I guess the people that aren't trying new things will just have to wait and see what the Staffers have to say at the end of 2008 and then we can all move in the direction we want to go.


fishing user avatarBrian_Reeves reply : 

Now granted, I chunk-read most of this thread and I might have missed it, but what do you sell and are your products homemade, machined?  Website maybe?  I would like to work with a company and hopefully grow together, but before I make an application, I would like an opportunity to test and view products.  So....whatcha sell?


fishing user avatarjim payne reply : 

Stayncharge and the products are all made in the USA.


fishing user avatarBrian_Reeves reply : 

I'm still not certain where I can view and order products or what products you even sell?  Custom lures, rods...???  Is there a catalogue or website where I can view your lineup?


fishing user avatarjim payne reply : 

click on WWW


fishing user avatarBass_cat reply : 

Well first off it seems to me the mods on this board jump a little quick, and voice there own personal views a little stong not the thing to do when you have the power to delete and edit any post Mods need to be netural and look at both sides.  Second thing is no pramyd scheme or what ever you guys call it has the compay paying a commission to the sellers sounds like an incentive to me.  Next,  I would understand if the company wants there guys to use it to be on the staff makes sense to me.  Example: Yes I am on prostaff for company X well show me there  product well I do not have any,  now how does that look not good.  I am in no way linked with this company at all do not even use there product just seems to me they are getting bashed for no reason.  If they want to call there salesman, prostaff then so be it do not publicly downgrade them for it.  This looks legit to me does not seem to be a scam or sceme or what ever it was called.  These are just my views and not the views or any other person or company.


fishing user avatarLow_Budget_Hooker reply : 

Nothing was deleted Basscat.

We have had issues with "pro staff" offerings here before.  Many are scams, designed simply to sell more product under the disguise of sponsorship.  We (I) come on strongly, true.  It weeds out the disguised offers and allows straight up folks like Jim to prove their points,...as he did,....that's why the thread is still here.

There is nothing hidden between the lines here which, as a mod, is my only concern.  His offer is straight forward.  Personally, It's not an offer I would accept, buying in to a staff deal just doesn't ring right with me but that's me.  I have over 19 years experience with full sponsorship contracts.  

If anyone else chooses to accept this, they know what they are getting and what they need to give.  That's has not been the case in circumstances in the past, with other offers.

Hope that clears things up a bit for you.

PS- They ALL look legit,...that's why we go through all this.


fishing user avatarBass_cat reply : 

I did not say anything got deleted I said you have the power too.  I just feel that Mods should voice there personal views a little less.  Because you might post something that offends someone and there is no way it gets deleted and someone else post something that offends you and you delete it.  You see where I am coming from?  I am not saying you did this in this post, I am saying it could happen or have already happened I do not know I have not been a member of this board for long.  I understand your wanting to keep the board true but a little less bashing would be nice to see.  Because just with you typing what you have it makes people question weather this guy is for real or not even if you did not accuse him of anything, his credibilty is alreay tarnished because you are a mod and poeple trust you is all I am saying.


fishing user avatarLow_Budget_Hooker reply : 
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I did not say anything got deleted I said you have the power too.  I just feel that Mods should voice there personal views a little less.  Because you might post something that offends someone and there is no way it gets deleted and someone else post something that offends you and you delete it.  You see where I am coming from?  

I understand what you are saying but we just don't work like that.  I've been a mod, personally, for going on 3 yrs now.  My reputation for integrity defends itself.  Hopefully you'll hang around long enough to get to know me, and all the others.

If something is funky, we often let the membership call them on it.  Jim's thread is not funky.  He has done nothing wrong and has a legitimate offer.

BUT.  I'm not just a mod, I'm a member with an opinion that I voice quite often.  People who know me can choose to ignore it or accept it depending on their opinion of me.  It works both ways.

But just a sidenote, noone has bashed anything.  I have never used a stayncharge product.  I fish electric only for the most part and my saltwater boats don't have a need for one either.  I am also not bashing the program, just stating that it isn't one I would be interested in.  I'm sure there are plenty of people that it IS a good fit for and hopefully they will get on board with Jim.  I wish him luck with his company as I consider him a stand up guy from the way he has handled himself here.


fishing user avatarLow_Budget_Hooker reply : 

I just read back and the comment about "how do you promote it if you aren't using it? shows me that you don't quite understand the deal yet.  Of course, you need one to sell one but IMO, you shouldn't have to outright buy it!  I think, again, this is my OPINION, a better approach would be to get one of these units to each pro-staffer.  As they start to sell them, they wouldn't make a commission till theirs was paid for (wholesale price of course).  If they don't sell any within a set time period, the unit comes back.

Just some input, something Jim can hash around with his guys if he wants to.


fishing user avatarBass_cat reply : 

I understand your point about not buying the first unit, but it may just be me and you might be the best salesman on the face of the planet but I cannot sell it if I do not use it or know whow it works very well.  That is just me, also you made the man defend his program to other members for no reason he had to explain things to members that were calling it a scam or sceme or what ever because you called him out and you agreed with them to me that is bashing.  You did not type the words but you agreed to me it is the same thing.  You say there is nothing wrong with his program I do not see anywhere that an apology was made or anything.  All I am saying is that people respect you on this board and follow your word and when you jump they jump,  this whole matter should have been disscused through PM's then he would have gotten his explination to you and only you and he would not have members second guessing his program.  In my way of thinking it was not handled correctly but that is just me.  Thank you for discussing this rationaly and not get Irate like some other guys would have.  I hope things like this in the future can be taken care of in a more discrete manner.  That is the only point I am trying to make.


fishing user avatarLow_Budget_Hooker reply : 

Everything you have stated has been addressed already in my posts above.

This WAS discussed via PM

We call them as we see them here.  Point blank.  When a product/company "survives" being called out by people with respected opinions, it is nothing less than great, free, advertising.

Many have not made the cut and our members have been protected.  Feel free to criticize my methods, but they work.

Step back and look at the big picture too.  Jim isn't offended. ;)

This is WAY off topic, if you wish to discuss it further, PM me.


fishing user avatarroadwarrior reply : 

Bass_cat,

I find it interesting that a new member with only four posts spends all his time suggesting how a topic should be handled. Looking back at all your involvement in the Forum, I have to wonder, "What is YOUR association with the Pro Staff program?"

If you in fact have no affiliation, perhaps contributing to the "fishing" threads might be a better approach to initiate your participation on this Forum. Longevity and credibility go hand-in-hand. Constructive criticism and suggestions for improvments are welcome and encouraged from BassResource members who have established a "presence", but no so much from people who have just arrived.


fishing user avatarZel... reply : 

I kinda feel the same way as some of the concerns expressed If I'm gonna sell a company's product, why do I have to buy it? And I also understand that companies don't want to give product away with no guarantees of enough sales to at least cover costs. But it doesn't make sense to me when companies see these concerns and trepidation's, they often don't adapt to the situation, or come up with something innovative (not to say this company doesn't do it). If it were my company, and I decided to go the angler direct sales route, that I would be advertising something like After the tenth sale generated by you, our company will reimburse you for your initial purchase of the product. Sorta gives additional incentive to sell the units. Sounds like a winwin situation?

I hope Stayncharge does well in their business endeavor.  It's not easy for a small business to succeed these days.


fishing user avatarLow_Budget_Hooker reply : 

We are on the same page Zel.

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I think, again, this is my OPINION, a better approach would be to get one of these units to each pro-staffer. As they start to sell them, they wouldn't make a commission till theirs was paid for (wholesale price of course).  If they don't sell any within a set time period, the unit comes back.

Just some input, something Jim can hash around with his guys if he wants to.

Again just so the masses know, this is not an attack on Jim's program, just some suggestions he, or any other company for that matter, can take or leave.  

:)


fishing user avatarBass_cat reply : 

I do not have any affliation with this company at all do not even know what there product is.  I just felt like he was getting questioned over a post that had not intention of hurting anyone at all.  If you guys can voice your views so can I, fair is fair no matter how long you have been a member or how many post you have.  If I do not agree with some of the methods being used then I should be able to question them with out getting jumped on am I correct?  Because now I am getting publicly questioned for my actions just does not seem right to me, but you guys run the board and you are free to do what you want.  I am not saying the company is good bad or anything I was just questioning the methods of the mods not bashing them just questioning them.  


fishing user avatarLow_Budget_Hooker reply : 

and your concerns were addressed.......moving on..


fishing user avatarjim payne reply : 

Man I did not have any intentions of causing people heart pains here or anywere else. I have been in business for almost nine years now and I have been hit by every board I have been on so what happened here was not a surprise to me and I am a open book to the public on these boards. Now as far as Bass_Cat you have good ponits and I thank you for them. I take these things as a positive for the members to be able to have protections from scamers and such. Alot of other companies would have ran and said screw it but I have my families future wrapped up in these products and how they do in the future. As far as me giving away units to people to use and let them sell them deal, It never works for me. My company has went that route and almost lost everything because it is human nature that if a person des not have a vested interest in something they do not do as well when it come to promoting things. I have done that probably more then a hundred times. For a company to give away a hundred baits that cost a couple dollars each is alot easier then to give away units that cost well over $100 each. We are a small company that could sell out to more then 5 major companies today and get screwed like all the other family companies in the past. Our program is designed for the angler that wants to really have a chance to earn extra money instead of a bunch of bags of baits. I thank you all for your concerns and your ideas because everything we do is because anglers told me what they wanted and needed. It is not for everybody but everybody will see by this upcoming year and then we will know hoe it works,


fishing user avatarjim payne reply : 

One more thing. Our staff program is new and we have already talked about how we will reward more units being sold. We are a very generous family and anyone that knows us will tell you that. The program is set up that a Staffer(saleperson) make almost $80 on every set of units the sell. That is alot of money for the weekend warrior. Like I said though it is not for everybody. I thank you all again for all the ideas and concerns. After we get someone on this site using our products all will change here anyway. Thanks all and have a great day.


fishing user avatarGlenn reply : 

Thanks to everyone for their responses, especially yours Bass Cat.  I appreciate your concerns, and you did a great job of presenting them.  I like to hear opinions from everyone, because you never know where the next great idea might come from.

I think Stayncharge has done a terrific job of answering questions and explaining the program.  Like he said, most people would just pack up and leave.  He didn't.  Shows a lot of character in my book.

Great suggestions for improvements guys.  Nice thread.  I think we can move on now.




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